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<a class="ext" href="http://Narya.net">Narya.net</a> <span class="quot">"'The Narya Project is intended to create a <a href="free.htm">free</a>-designed <a href="hard.htm">hard</a>ware community centered around needs for a <a href="free.htm">free</a> future in <a href="spac.htm">spac</a>e, developed by individuals for individuals. The <a href="ide.htm">ide</a>a is to have a fun place to <a href="work.htm">work</a> on <a href="ide.htm">ide</a>as for stuff we're all going to need on the <a href="new.htm">new</a> frontier, with a <a href="part.htm">part</a>icular focus on maximizing the a<a href="mount.htm">mount</a> of equipment that settlers will be able to <a href="use.htm">use</a>, repair, and <a href="buil.htm">buil</a>d on the spot from commodity designs. Having a ready-made body of such design information will greatly reduce risks of settlers associated with manufacturer non-disclosure at <a href="cost.htm">cost</a>s that don't require a national development program to <a href="fund.htm">fund</a>.<br/>
<span class="bullet">.</span>..<br/>
Looked at from a certain point of view, Narya is designed to provide an enterprise manufacturing support system for people who can't afford one. By <a href="mak.htm">mak</a>ing all these normally complicated procedures easy, we hope to greatly accelerate the progress that amateurs and semi-professional developers can <a href="mak.htm">mak</a>e in areas such as our core focus on <a href="spac.htm">spac</a>e colonization/settlement technology.<br/>
'"</span><br/>
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<a class="ext" href="http://Ellerman.org/Davids-Stuff/Books/p&c.htm">Ellerman.org/Davids-Stuff/Books/p&c.htm</a><br/>
<span class="quot">"'<br/>
<a href="proper.htm">Proper</a>ty and Contract in <a href="econ.htm">Econ</a>omics: The Case for <a href="econ.htm">Econ</a>omic Democracy.<br/>
<br/>
Out of print with rights reverted to the author.<br/>
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This book presents a <a href="mod.htm">mod</a>ern version of the old Labor <small>(or Natural Rights)</small> Theory of <a href="proper.htm">Proper</a>ty and of an Inalienable Rights Theory that descends from the Reformation and Enlightenment. Together these theories re-solve the basic problem of distribution in the sense of giving a basis for the just ap<a href="prop.htm">prop</a>riation of <a href="proper.htm">proper</a>ty and a basis for answering the question of who is to be the firm, e.g., the suppliers of share capital as in conventional capital, the government as in socialism, or the people who <a href="work.htm">work</a> in the firm as in the system of <a href="econ.htm">econ</a>omic democracy <small>(or labor-managed market <a href="econ.htm">econ</a>omies)</small>. While these theories address old questions in <a href="econ.htm">econ</a>omics, they do so in an entirely <a href="diff.htm">diff</a>e<a href="rent.htm">rent</a> manner than conventional <a href="econ.htm">econ</a>omics which renders the questions as being about value or <a href="pric.htm">pric</a>e theory <small>(instead of about <a href="proper.htm">proper</a>ty rights and contracts)</small>. This book is now out of print and the rights have reverted to the author. A neo-Austrian pre-publication reviewer of the book described the book as follows:<br/>
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"The book's radical re-interpretation of <a href="proper.htm">proper</a>ty and contract is, I think, among the most powerful critiques of mainstream <a href="econ.htm">econ</a>omics ever developed. It undermines the neoclassical way of thinking about <a href="proper.htm">proper</a>ty by <a href="art.htm">art</a>iculating a theory of inalienable rights, and constructs out of this perspective a "labor theory of <a href="proper.htm">proper</a>ty" which is as <a href="diff.htm">diff</a>e<a href="rent.htm">rent</a> from Marx's labor theory of value as it is from neoclassicism. It traces roots of such <a href="ide.htm">ide</a>as in some fascinating and largely forgotten strands of the hi<a href="stor.htm">stor</a>y of <a href="econ.htm">econ</a>omics. It draws attention to the question of "responsibility" which neoclassicism has utterly lost sight of. It is <a href="start.htm">start</a>lingly fresh in its overall approach, and unusually well written in its presentation.<br/>
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<span class="bullet">.</span>.. It constitutes a better case for its <a href="econ.htm">econ</a>omic democracy viewpoint than anything else in the literature."<br/>
'"</span><br/>
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<hr/><span class="date">Aug-20-2008:</span> Beginning of an unsent response to Oekonux list<br/>
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On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 7:40 AM, Paul Cockshott wrote:<br/>
<span class="quot">> <a href="profit.htm">Profit</a> does not disappear in competitive industries!</span><br/>
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<a href="pric.htm">Pric</a>e approachs <a href="cost.htm">Cost</a> as <a href="profit.htm">Profit</a> approaches Zero.<br/>
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<a href="profit.htm">Profit</a> disappears when competition is perfect, but competition is usually imperfect.<br/>
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<a href="profit.htm">Profit</a> approaches infinity as monopoly approaches perfection.<br/>
<br/>
<a href="profit.htm">Profit</a> approaches zero as competition approaches perfection.<br/>
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Competition approaches perfection as <a href="own.htm">own</a>ership in the Means of <a href="produc.htm">Produc</a>tion is most fully distributed and divisible between the consumers of that <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>t.<br/>
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<a href="profit.htm">Profit</a> occurs during <a href="real.htm">real</a> and <a href="art.htm">art</a>ificial scarcity. <a href="profit.htm">Profit</a> seeking corporations are incented to scarcify and <br/>
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Competition can approach perfection within any corporation, cooperative, commune, church, club, cult, clique, etc. that <a href="own.htm">own</a> the Means of <a href="produc.htm">Produc</a>tion needed for that which they consume and apply a "Terms of Operation" through a legally binding contract <a href="stat.htm">stat</a>ing all <a href="profit.htm">profit</a> be treated as an investment from the consumer who paid it.<br/>
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The consumer could receive what I envision looking like a coupon describing the exact "<a href="obj.htm">Obj</a>ect Consumed" and "<a href="sourc.htm">Sourc</a>es Required", along with the quality, quantity and photos of each.<br/>
<br/>
<a href="imag.htm">Imag</a>ine tourists purchasing a meal under these conditions.<br/>
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<span class="bullet">*</span> The restaurant <a href="own.htm">own</a>ers may charge these non-<a href="own.htm">own</a>ing consumers any a<a href="mount.htm">mount</a> above <a href="cost.htm">Cost</a> that "the market will bear".<br/>
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<span class="bullet">*</span> These <a href="own.htm">own</a>ers can also safely charge the consumer exactly <a href="cost.htm">Cost</a> because there is no pressure to <a href="mak.htm">mak</a>e a <a href="profit.htm">Profit</a>. <a href="profit.htm">Profit</a> is not <br/>
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or, since the <a href="curr.htm">curr</a>ent <a href="own.htm">own</a>ers have invested with the expected return of '<a href="produc.htm">produc</a>t' , and, because of the "Terms of Operation" by contract do not receive only temporary 'steering' <a href="own.htm">own</a>ership of that investment,<br/>
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A business is <a href="profit.htm">profit</a>able when <a href="cost.htm">cost</a>s of operation paid by the <a href="curr.htm">curr</a>ent <a href="own.htm">own</a>ers is less than the <a href="pric.htm">pric</a>e by the consumer.<br/>
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<a href="imag.htm">Imag</a>ine a large 'commons' kitchen accessible by 100 families.<br/>
<br/>
Subgroups will buy cases of frozen hamburgers, <br/>
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When they buy bulk <br/>
<br/>
These consumers collectively <a href="own.htm">own</a><br/>
<br/>
<br/>
A consumer <a href="own.htm">own</a>ed restaurant is <br/>
<br/>
I envision using this <br/>
<br/>
wnership in this bond is not immediately <br/>
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<a href="profit.htm">Profit</a> is inversely related to competition. <a href="profit.htm">Profit</a> is directly related to monopoly.<br/>
<br/>
The MONOPOLY -- to -- PERFECT_COMPETITION <br/>
I thought <a href="profit.htm">profit</a> approaches zero as competition approaches perfection.<br/>
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Theoretical perfect competition occurs when <a href="own.htm">own</a>ership distribution is perfect.<br/>
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<hr/><span class="date">Aug-20-2008:</span> <a class="ext" href="http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/content~content=a792758255~db=all~order=page">http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/content~content=a792758255~db=all~order=page</a> <span class="quot2">>>open-<a href="sourc.htm">sourc</a>e <a href="collab.htm">collab</a>oration coordinates the division of labor through the exchange of effort rather than of <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>ts</span><br/>
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Contribute vs Exchange<br/>
Commons vs <a href="proper.htm">Proper</a>ty<br/>
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Give vs <a href="trad.htm">Trad</a>e<br/>
Lend vs <a href="rent.htm">Rent</a><br/>
Borrow vs Hire<br/>
Share vs Sell<br/>
Cooperation vs Command<br/>
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The lesson I draw from the experience of eastern Europe was that it was<br/>
a mistake in countries like Po<a href="land.htm">land</a> not to let consumer goods <a href="pric.htm">pric</a>es<br/>
follow values. Attempts to subsidise consumer goods led to shortages and<br/>
suppressed inflation. So I think you need a consumer goods market of the<br/>
sort advocated in the 1930s by Lange and Dickinson, where goods are sold<br/>
at market clearing <a href="pric.htm">pric</a>es.<br/>
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<a href="stock.htm">Stock</a> control data from this process, along with the ratio between the<br/>
selling <a href="pric.htm">pric</a>e and the labour content of goods would then be <a href="use.htm">use</a>d by a<br/>
cybernetic system to adjust output levels of goods.<br/>
<br/>
Since, however, the <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>tion would be communal, the units of<br/>
<a href="produc.htm">produc</a>tion would not depend on selling commodities for their survival in<br/>
the capitalist sense. The unit of <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>tion would not <a href="own.htm">own</a> the goods it<br/>
<a href="produc.htm">produc</a>ed, they would be commonly <a href="own.htm">own</a>ed and the individual consumer would<br/>
purchase them from the community by the performance of an equivalent<br/>
a<a href="mount.htm">mount</a> of labour to that contained in the goods, with some system of<br/>
electronic accounting keeping track of the labour each person performs<br/>
and indirectly consumes.<br/>
<br/>
The consumer would have the right to purchase consumer goods from<br/>
community shops. The units of <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>tion would not be subjects of right<br/>
like capitalist firms. They would not sell the <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>ts, just as the<br/>
coke <a href="work.htm">work</a>s in a steel mill today does not sell the coke to the blast<br/>
furnace division, it simply delivers it as <a href="part.htm">part</a> of an integrated<br/>
process.<br/>
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<hr/><span class="date">Aug-12-2008:</span> Posted to list-en@<a class="ext" href="http://Oekonux.org">Oekonux.org</a><br/>
<br/>
<span class="quot">> I do not think there will ever be more successful market players</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> but capitalist corporations.</span><br/>
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Capitalism happens to be winning now, but we <a href="know.htm">know</a> it is very inefficient.<br/>
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<span class="quot">>But since the 18</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> years I am on that track, I have not found one corporation that did more</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> than lip service to this market <a href="mod.htm">mod</a>el</span><br/>
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If we ever determined the mechanical 'error' in Capitalism that causes problems we see, couldn't we <a href="start.htm">start</a> a corporation for ourselves that has some sort of "Terms of Operation" - a contract that constrains <a href="trad.htm">trad</a>e in a manner similar maybe to the <a href="gnu.htm">GNU</a> <a href="gpl.htm">GPL</a>?<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
The pattern of the <a href="gnu.htm">GNU</a> <a href="gpl.htm">GPL</a> is:<br/>
<span class="bullet">.</span> <a href="own.htm">Own</a>ers choose to apply some constraints to the <a href="trad.htm">trad</a>e of their <a href="own.htm">OWN</a> <a href="proper.htm">proper</a>ty.<br/>
<span class="bullet">.</span> One constraint requires any seller <small>(or giver)</small> must <a href="insur.htm">insur</a>e the <a href="new.htm">new</a> consumer <small>(<a href="user.htm">user</a>)</small> gains "at <a href="cost.htm">cost</a>" access the capital <small>(<a href="sourc.htm">sourc</a>es)</small> of that <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>tion.<br/>
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The consumer can slowly gain "at <a href="cost.htm">cost</a>" access <small>(<a href="own.htm">own</a>ership)</small> to the Capital required for physical <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>tion if "<a href="pric.htm">pric</a>e above <a href="cost.htm">cost</a>" <small>(<a href="profit.htm">profit</a>)</small> is treated as an investment from the consumer who paid it.<br/>
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<br/>
I may be right or wrong about the shape of the contract, but either way couldn't a contract we choose to apply to a corporation we begin ourselves hold those <a href="ide.htm">ide</a>als in place?<br/>
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Whatever constraint we find to be ap<a href="prop.htm">prop</a>riate, let's write a contract that can be applied to the physical aspects of all things <small>(all things are simply design applied to mass)</small> so that we can begin a corporation under those Terms of Operation and finally begin to outcooperate the inefficient Capitalists.<br/>
<br/>
Patrick<br/>
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<hr/><span class="date">Aug-12-2008:</span> Posted to <a class="ext" href="http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/the-role-of-the-market-in-a-peer-to-peer-society/2008/08/10">http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/the-role-of-the-market-in-a-peer-to-peer-society/2008/08/10</a> and <a class="ext" href="http://Oekonux.org">Oekonux.org</a><br/>
Stefan,<br/>
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I do not <a href="agree.htm">agree</a> with the assertion that every player <small>(every human on earth?)</small> must follow the destructive goal of "<a href="mak.htm">mak</a>ing more <a href="mone.htm">mone</a>y from invested <a href="mone.htm">mone</a>y".<br/>
<br/>
There are many micro-<a href="econ.htm">econ</a>omies <small>(such as in families or maybe in some small communes)</small> where action is taken <small>(<a href="work.htm">work</a>)</small> for the sole purpose of <a href="produc.htm">PRODUC</a>T, not for <a href="profit.htm">PROFIT</a>.<br/>
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But if you think none of us can ever escape such a fate, then why even try to promote the <a class="ext" href="http://Oekonux.org">http://Oekonux.org</a> <a href="ide.htm">ide</a>als? If we are destined to lose, then why try?<br/>
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I don't understand. If no player <small>(human)</small> can ever possibly do anything beyond being a Capitalist pawn, then shouldn't we just give up now?<br/>
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Sincerely,<br/>
Patrick<br/>
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<hr/><span class="date">Aug-10-2008:</span> <br/>
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<hr/><span class="date">Aug-09-2008:</span> <a class="ext" href="http://CESJ.org">CESJ.org</a> <span class="quot2">>>Welcome to the <a href="web.htm">Web</a> site of the Center for <a href="econ.htm">Econ</a>omic and Social Justice. CESJ is a non-<a href="profit.htm">profit</a>, non-<a href="part.htm">part</a>isan educational organization and think tank, with a religiously and spiritually pluralistic membership. We are dedicated to a <a href="free.htm">free</a> enterprise approach to <a href="econ.htm">econ</a>omic and social justice for all, through capital <a href="own.htm">own</a>ership opportunities for every person.</span><br/>
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<hr/><span class="date">Aug-02-2008:</span> <a class="ext" href="http://CreativeCapitalism.TypePad.com">CreativeCapitalism.TypePad.com</a> <span class="quot2">>>Creative Capitalism: A Conversation is a <a href="web.htm">web</a> experiment designed to <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>e a book -- a collection of essays and commentary on capitalism, philanthropy and global development -- to be <a href="edit.htm">edit</a>ed by us and published by Simon and Schuster in the fall of 2008. The book takes as its <a href="start.htm">start</a>ing point a <a href="speech.htm">speech</a> Bill Gates delivered this January at the World <a href="econ.htm">Econ</a>omic Forum in Davos. In it, he said that many of the world's problems are too big for philanthropy--even on the scale of the Gates Foundation. And he said that the <a href="free.htm">free</a>-market capitalist system itself would have to solve them.</span><br/>
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<hr/><span class="date">Aug-01-2008:</span> Consumers can <a href="fund.htm">fund</a> the <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>tion they need. Investing consumers, consuming inve<a href="stor.htm">stor</a>s.<br/>
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