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<hr/><span class="date">Feb-25-2011:</span> Unions for Immaterial <a href="produc.htm">Produc</a>tion?<br/>
The effectiveness of collective bargaining has always been threatened by independent peers who are willing to accept lower wages and endure poor <a href="work.htm">work</a>ing conditions.<br/>
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For <a href="trad.htm">trad</a>itional manufacturing <a href="job.htm">job</a>s, these 'alternate' <a href="work.htm">work</a>ers can usually be kept from accessing the Means of <a href="produc.htm">Produc</a>tion by forming a physical barrier around the <a href="work.htm">work</a>site or through various threats that can be carried out because it is easy to <a href="moni.htm">moni</a>tor who is actually entering the establishment.<br/>
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Yet these valuable techniques of intimidation and coercion so vital to <a href="protect.htm">protect</a>ing <a href="work.htm">Work</a>er Rights are unlikely to be applicable in the <a href="real.htm">real</a>m of "immaterial <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>tion".<br/>
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When it comes to something like <a href="free.htm">Free</a> Software, how can we, the International Programmers of the World, unionize effectively to *stop* independent programmers from creating the solutions that consumers need?<br/>
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This is a catastrophic issue, as many of these independents are willing to <a href="work.htm">work</a> not just for a low Wage, but for <a href="free.htm">Free</a>! They often fix bugs and add features without any <a href="pay.htm">pay</a> at all!<br/>
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How can <a href="work.htm">work</a>ers in the 'immaterial' sphere possibly "<a href="mak.htm">mak</a>e a <a href="liv.htm">liv</a>ing" with such anarchy and disrespect for organized labor, and with no ability to stop that <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>tion?<br/>
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<hr/><span class="date">Feb-21-2011:</span> <a class="ext" href="http://Quora.com/High-prices-help-owners-and-low-prices-help-consumers-but-what-if-owners-and-consumers-were-the-same-group">Quora.com/High-prices-help-owners-and-low-prices-help-consumers-but-what-if-owners-and-consumers-were-the-same-group</a><br/>
<span class="quot">> High <a href="pric.htm">pric</a>es help <a href="own.htm">own</a>ers, and low <a href="pric.htm">pric</a>es help consumers, but what if <a href="own.htm">own</a>ers and consumers were the same group?<a href="edit.htm">Edit</a></span><br/>
<span class="quot">> In that case, where those consumers were investing for the purpose of receiving the <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>t itself <small>(instead of being paid with <a href="profit.htm">profit</a>)</small>, then the <a href="pric.htm">pric</a>es they paid for that <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>tion would be equal to the <a href="real.htm">real</a> <a href="cost.htm">cost</a>s of <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>tion, and so <a href="pric.htm">pric</a>es would be the lowest possible minimum and <a href="profit.htm">profit</a> would be 0 <small>(actually <a href="profit.htm">profit</a> would be *undefined* since the <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>t would not even be sold since it would already be the <a href="proper.htm">proper</a>ty of those consumers who need it.)</small></span><br/>
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<hr/><span class="date">Feb-21-2011:</span> <a class="ext" href="http://Quora.com/The-US-government-currently-owes-about-14-2-Trillion-Who-did-we-borrow-that-money-from-and-how-did-those-financiers-get-that-money">Quora.com/The-US-government-currently-owes-about-14-2-Trillion-Who-did-we-borrow-that-money-from-and-how-did-those-financiers-get-that-money</a><br/>
<span class="quot">> The US government <a href="curr.htm">curr</a>ently owes about $14.2 Trillion. Who did we borrow that <a href="mone.htm">mone</a>y from, and how did those financiers get that <a href="mone.htm">mone</a>y?</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> Has that <a href="mone.htm">mone</a>y always been on earth? If not, then where did it come from? Did somebody issue it into existence? If so, then by what authority did they do so, and for what reason do nations lack that authority?</span><br/>
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<hr/><span class="date">Feb-21-2011:</span> <a class="ext" href="http://Quora.com/What-are-the-criticisms-of-the-Federal-Reserve-Should-it-exist">Quora.com/What-are-the-criticisms-of-the-Federal-Reserve-Should-it-exist</a><br/>
<span class="quot">> What are the criticisms of the Federal Reserve? Should it exist?</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> Why do people write books like this? <a class="ext" href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/2490203/The-Federal-Reserve-Monster-1922">http://www.scribd.com/doc/2490203/The-Federal-Reserve-Monster-1922</a></span><br/>
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The primary problem with the system which includes the Federal Reserve is that we suffer the terrible consequences of a National Debt that would be exactly zero if we, as a nation, would simply issue our <a href="own.htm">own</a> <a href="curr.htm">curr</a>ency instead of borrowing <a href="mone.htm">mone</a>y from outside entities.<br/>
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You may think "Well, of course we must borrow it - how else can you get <a href="mone.htm">mone</a>y!?".<br/>
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But that reasoning is obviously flawed when we ask the question "Where did that <a href="mone.htm">mone</a>y come from?".<br/>
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Either the <a href="mone.htm">mone</a>y has always been on earth, or it has been 'issued' into existence.<br/>
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So the <a href="bank.htm">bank</a>s behind the Federal Reserve who issue <a href="curr.htm">curr</a>ency into existence "out of thin air" <small>(it is fiat <a href="mone.htm">mone</a>y with is not <a href="back.htm">back</a>ed by any material thing)</small> are able to buy bonds against our <a href="land.htm">land</a> while expending no value and taking no risk whatever.<br/>
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So we are accumulating debt and losing our sovereignty for no sensible reason.<br/>
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If those <a href="bank.htm">bank</a>s are able to issue <a href="curr.htm">curr</a>ency, then why will our government not issue <a href="curr.htm">curr</a>ency?<br/>
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Our nation has issued it's <a href="own.htm">own</a> <a href="curr.htm">curr</a>ency in the past, and had no National Debt, but the <a href="bank.htm">bank</a>ers tricked us into subservience by playing on our fears, and so now we are at the mercy of those who conquer nations through trickery and deception.<br/>
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After we default on those needless loans, they will arrive on our shores declaring we must leave, as they are now the <a href="own.htm">own</a>ers of this <a href="land.htm">land</a> because of the bonds they hold against it.<br/>
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<hr/><span class="date">Feb-20-2011:</span> <a class="ext" href="http://Quora.com/What-would-be-the-optimal-approach-for-globally-realigning-the-incentives-of-current-economies-from-maximizing-profits-to-maximizing-value">Quora.com/What-would-be-the-optimal-approach-for-globally-realigning-the-incentives-of-current-economies-from-maximizing-profits-to-maximizing-value</a><br/>
<span class="quot">> What would be the optimal approach for globally <a href="real.htm">real</a>igning the incentives of <a href="curr.htm">curr</a>ent <a href="econ.htm">econ</a>omies from maximizing <a href="profit.htm">profit</a>s to maximizing value?</span><br/>
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<a href="profit.htm">Profit</a> is commonly <a href="use.htm">use</a>d as a return for inve<a href="stor.htm">stor</a>s who took risk.<br/>
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It may seem there is nothing else we can do, for what else would inve<a href="stor.htm">stor</a>s accept?<br/>
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There is a special case we seemed to have overlooked, where we can <a href="use.htm">use</a> <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>t to reward those who are willing to <a href="pay.htm">pay</a> early.<br/>
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This special case only applies to inve<a href="stor.htm">stor</a>s who are simultaneously potential consumers of that <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>t - and who invest only as much as it will take to <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>e what they, personally, will consume.<br/>
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So the answer is similar to "Crowd <a href="fund.htm">Fund</a>ed", but more like "Consumer <a href="own.htm">Own</a>ed" - where those <a href="fund.htm">fund</a>ers are <a href="proper.htm">proper</a>ty <a href="own.htm">own</a>ers in the Means of <a href="produc.htm">Produc</a>tion for the sole purpose of thereby having <a href="own.htm">own</a>ership in the outputs of that <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>tion as a sort of "side effect".<br/>
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Notice the <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>t is not sold <small>(for it is already the <a href="proper.htm">proper</a>ty of those who will <a href="use.htm">use</a> it)</small>. This causes <a href="profit.htm">profit</a> to be undefined - for the <a href="pric.htm">Pric</a>e of the finished <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>t is exactly the <a href="cost.htm">Cost</a>s which were paid for that <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>tion.<br/>
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<hr/><span class="date">Feb-20-2011:</span> <a class="ext" href="http://Quora.com/What-are-the-fundamental-requirements-and-building-blocks-of-a-distributed-internet">Quora.com/What-are-the-fundamental-requirements-and-building-blocks-of-a-distributed-internet</a><br/>
<span class="quot">> What are the <a href="fund.htm">fund</a>amental requirements and <a href="buil.htm">buil</a>ding blocks of a distributed internet?</span><br/>
The most important issue we must address is the <a href="diff.htm">diff</a>iculties faced during <a href="co-own.htm">co-own</a>ership of shared physical re<a href="sourc.htm">sourc</a>es required to host that <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>tion.<br/>
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1.)</small> The <a href="user.htm">user</a>s themselves must have <a href="real.htm">real</a> <a href="own.htm">own</a>ership, and so must be the initial and <a href="ide.htm">ide</a>ally the only inve<a href="stor.htm">stor</a>s.<br/>
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2.)</small> The 'return' the <a href="user.htm">user</a>s will receive for this investment is at-<a href="cost.htm">cost</a> access to the outputs of that <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>tion - in this case, internet connectivity.<br/>
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3.)</small> For late-coming <a href="user.htm">user</a>s who want to buy any surplus <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>t <small>(<a href="net.htm">net</a><a href="work.htm">work</a> bandwidth, data <a href="stor.htm">stor</a>age, CPU cycles)</small>, we should charge <a href="pric.htm">pric</a>e above <a href="cost.htm">cost</a> <small>(<a href="profit.htm">profit</a>)</small> for as much as "the market will bear".<br/>
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4.)</small> All <a href="profit.htm">profit</a> collected from non-<a href="own.htm">own</a>ers must be treated as that <a href="pay.htm">pay</a>er's investment in more physical <a href="sourc.htm">sourc</a>es - so that each and every <a href="user.htm">user</a> incrementally becomes a <a href="co-own.htm">co-own</a>er in the material assets required to host that <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>tion.<br/>
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When any <a href="user.htm">user</a> pre-<a href="pay.htm">pay</a>s <small>(whether as an up-front investment, or when<br/>
<a href="pay.htm">pay</a>ing <a href="pric.htm">pric</a>e above <a href="cost.htm">cost</a> <small>(<a href="profit.htm">profit</a>)</small>)</small>, they receive two items:<br/>
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A.)</small> A <a href="title.htm">title</a> of <a href="own.htm">own</a>ership over those <a href="co-own.htm">co-own</a>ed physical assets.<br/>
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B.)</small> A book of "Scheduling Tickets" or "Allocation Tokens" that the<br/>
<a href="own.htm">own</a>er would <a href="use.htm">use</a> to prove <a href="own.htm">own</a>ership of and therefore collect the<br/>
outputs of that <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>tion.<br/>
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<hr/><span class="date">Feb-20-2011:</span> To info@<a class="ext" href="http://FreedomBoxFoundation.org">FreedomBoxFoundation.org</a><br/>
Hello all,<br/>
<br/>
I would like to help discuss organizational strategies for this<br/>
important project but don't see how to join anything from the<br/>
<a class="ext" href="http://FreedomBoxFoundation.org">http://FreedomBoxFoundation.org</a> <a href="web.htm">web</a>site.<br/>
<br/>
Maybe those discussions are not yet open to the general public?<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
<hr/><span class="date">Feb-17-2011:</span> Some links to investigate<br/>
<br/>
<a class="ext" href="http://OpenTheFuture.com">OpenTheFuture.com</a><br/>
<a class="ext" href="http://EndOfTheAmericanDream.com">EndOfTheAmericanDream.com</a><br/>
<a class="ext" href="http://NewEcoHumanity.BlogSpot.com">NewEcoHumanity.BlogSpot.com</a><br/>
<a class="ext" href="http://LivingEconomiesForum.org">LivingEconomiesForum.org</a><br/>
<a class="ext" href="http://FearlessRevolution.com">FearlessRevolution.com</a><br/>
<br/>
<br/>
<hr/><span class="date">Feb-17-2011:</span> <small>[P2P-F]</small> Debt, Human Rights and Nature<br/>
<br/>
M. Fioretti wrote:<br/>
<span class="quot">> "These <a href="bank.htm">bank</a>ers are not <a href="prop.htm">prop</a>osing to loan their <a href="mone.htm">mone</a>y to the</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> world. Rather, they <a href="prop.htm">prop</a>ose creating <a href="new.htm">new</a> <a href="mone.htm">mone</a>y out of thin air..."</span><br/>
<br/>
I don't understand.<br/>
<br/>
If THEY can create <a href="mone.htm">mone</a>y "out of thin air", what is stopping US from<br/>
doing the same?<br/>
<br/>
Who gave THEM that authority, and who took it away from US?<br/>
<br/>
Why do NATIONS <a href="rent.htm">rent</a> <a href="mone.htm">mone</a>y from those private <a href="bank.htm">bank</a>ers?<br/>
<br/>
Just curious.<br/>
<br/>
Anyone? Beuler?<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
<span class="quot">> Who gave THEM that authority, and who took it away from US?</span><br/>
<br/>
Why did NATIONS give THEM that authority, and who took it away from NATIONS?<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
Kevin Carson wrote:<br/>
<span class="quot">> The government, at least to the extent that <a href="bank.htm">bank</a> licensing and legal</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> tender laws are enforceable.</span><br/>
<br/>
So governments had the authority to issue <a href="curr.htm">curr</a>ency for themselves,<br/>
but then gave it away to private corporations?<br/>
<br/>
How funny.<br/>
<br/>
I wonder why they did this. It must be for the best, right?<br/>
<br/>
I've heard people say "It is to control inflation" as though those<br/>
private corporations have more self-control than governments.<br/>
<br/>
If this logic is true, does that mean all the P2P <a href="curr.htm">curr</a>encies are<br/>
<a href="fund.htm">fund</a>amentally flawed?<br/>
<br/>
If this logic is false, does that mean our governments and the<br/>
corporations that operate those governments are lying to us?<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
Kevin Carson wrote:<br/>
<span class="quot">> You just won a cigar!</span><br/>
<br/>
Ha, ha.<br/>
<br/>
Yes, I <a href="know.htm">know</a> I'm playing the fool, and these are stupid questions<br/>
with obvious answers for those in the <a href="know.htm">know</a>...<br/>
<br/>
But if it is all so obvious, what <a href="mak.htm">mak</a>es it so impenetrable to<br/>
r<a href="econ.htm">econ</a>sideration by all the nations throughout the world?<br/>
<br/>
Why do most all citizens choose to quibble over the theatre of<br/>
politics and the minutea of ineffective bandages while this<br/>
massive issue is <a href="left.htm">left</a> untouched?<br/>
<br/>
How is it that our education systems leave this <a href="fund.htm">fund</a>amental<br/>
misdesign out of the <a href="curr.htm">curr</a>iculum?<br/>
<br/>
How is it that so few people I <a href="know.htm">know</a> are aware of this?<br/>
<br/>
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<hr/><span class="date">Feb-17-2011:</span> <a href="art.htm">Art</a>icle : Debt Defaults, Austerity, and Death of the "Social Europe" <a href="mod.htm">Mod</a>el<br/>
<br/>
Here is a quick summary of an approach I've been <a href="work.htm">work</a>ing on.<br/>
<br/>
----<br/>
<br/>
My answer to <a class="ext" href="http://Quora.com/What-are-the-fundamental-requirements-and-building-blocks-of-a-distributed-internet">http://Quora.com/What-are-the-fundamental-requirements-and-building-blocks-of-a-distributed-internet</a><br/>
<br/>
The most important issue we must address is the <a href="diff.htm">diff</a>iculties faced<br/>
during <a href="co-own.htm">co-own</a>ership of shared physical re<a href="sourc.htm">sourc</a>es required to host that<br/>
<a href="produc.htm">produc</a>tion.<br/>
<br/>
1.)</small> The <a href="user.htm">user</a>s themselves must have <a href="real.htm">real</a> <a href="own.htm">own</a>ership, and so must be the<br/>
initial and <a href="ide.htm">ide</a>ally the only inve<a href="stor.htm">stor</a>s.<br/>
<br/>
2.)</small> The 'return' the <a href="user.htm">user</a>s will receive for this investment is at-<a href="cost.htm">cost</a><br/>
access to the outputs of that <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>tion - in this case, internet<br/>
connectivity.<br/>
<br/>
3.)</small> For late-coming <a href="user.htm">user</a>s who want to buy any surplus <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>t <small>(<a href="net.htm">net</a><a href="work.htm">work</a><br/>
bandwidth, data <a href="stor.htm">stor</a>age, CPU cycles)</small>, we should charge <a href="pric.htm">pric</a>e above<br/>
<a href="cost.htm">cost</a> <small>(<a href="profit.htm">profit</a>)</small> for as much as "the market will bear".<br/>
<br/>
4.)</small> All <a href="profit.htm">profit</a> collected from non-<a href="own.htm">own</a>ers must be treated as that<br/>
<a href="pay.htm">pay</a>er's investment in more physical <a href="sourc.htm">sourc</a>es - so that each and every<br/>
<a href="user.htm">user</a> incrementally becomes a <a href="co-own.htm">co-own</a>er in the material assets required<br/>
to host that <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>tion.<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
When any <a href="user.htm">user</a> pre-<a href="pay.htm">pay</a>s <small>(whether as an up-front investment, or when<br/>
<a href="pay.htm">pay</a>ing <a href="pric.htm">pric</a>e above <a href="cost.htm">cost</a> <small>(<a href="profit.htm">profit</a>)</small>)</small>, they receive two items:<br/>
<br/>
A.)</small> A <a href="title.htm">title</a> of <a href="own.htm">own</a>ership over those <a href="co-own.htm">co-own</a>ed physical assets.<br/>
<br/>
B.)</small> A book of "Scheduling Tickets" or "Allocation Tokens" that the<br/>
<a href="own.htm">own</a>er would <a href="use.htm">use</a> to prove <a href="own.htm">own</a>ership of and therefore collect the<br/>
outputs of that <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>tion.<br/>
<br/>
Dante-Gabryell Monson wrote:<br/>
<span class="quot">> I would like to have a tool that goes to the core,</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> so that any agents in the system can find out or choose if they can <a href="mak.htm">mak</a>e</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> overlapping <a href="agree.htm">agree</a>ments between their preferred conditions for transactions <small>(</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> <a href="proper.htm">proper</a>ty, vectors and their potential <a href="obj.htm">obj</a>ective or subjective units</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> of measurement, etc )</small></span><br/>
<br/>
Hey Dante,<br/>
<br/>
I would like talk more about this when you have some time.<br/>
<br/>
Could you give me an example of what you mean?<br/>
<br/>
Here are some concepts to frame the discussion:<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
I've been trying lately to devise the most simple scenario,<br/>
for <a href="co-own.htm">co-own</a>ership and have come up with the following:<br/>
<br/>
<a href="imag.htm">Imag</a>ine some agents are attempting to share the physical<br/>
<a href="sourc.htm">sourc</a>es required for <a href="stor.htm">stor</a>age.<br/>
<br/>
Whether they are attempting to <a href="stor.htm">stor</a>e bytes or bread doesn't<br/>
<a href="mak.htm">mak</a>e much <a href="diff.htm">diff</a>erence, in both cases the <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>t being<br/>
<a href="stor.htm">stor</a>ed is subject to decay and destruction.<br/>
<br/>
One question I have is: Who, <a href="ide.htm">ide</a>ally, should be in control<br/>
of those physical assets? <small>(I would say "who should <a href="own.htm">own</a>",<br/>
but if I remember right, you are reluctant to <a href="use.htm">use</a> <a href="proper.htm">proper</a>ty<br/>
<a href="own.htm">own</a>ership in our quest to secure the Means of <a href="produc.htm">Produc</a>tion?)</small><br/>
<br/>
<br/>
Another question comes as a result of accepting outsiders.<br/>
<br/>
<a href="imag.htm">Imag</a>ine they want to increase the size of the operation<br/>
for even more benefits associated with <a href="econ.htm">econ</a>omy of scale.<br/>
<br/>
Should they charge <a href="profit.htm">Profit</a> <small>(<a href="pric.htm">Pric</a>e above <a href="cost.htm">Cost</a>)</small> against those<br/>
latecomers? And if so, what should be done with that<br/>
value? Notice, if you do not charge <a href="profit.htm">Profit</a>, then it is likely<br/>
someone will 'scalp' the <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>t by buying a large a<a href="mount.htm">mount</a><br/>
and then reselling it closer to what the "market will bear".<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
<span class="bullet">.</span>..<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
Hi Dante,<br/>
<br/>
Thanks for helping me understand you better.<br/>
<br/>
I see now you are designing a tool which<br/>
you and others can <a href="use.htm">use</a> to discover *which*<br/>
set of system dynamics are best for society,<br/>
<br/>
while I have been trying to design and debug<br/>
one specific set of dynamics which groups<br/>
can then <a href="use.htm">use</a> to <a href="mak.htm">mak</a>e better societies.<br/>
<br/>
I have found my approach is a bit too direct<br/>
for most people because they interpret my<br/>
<a href="prop.htm">prop</a>osals as though I am declaring what<br/>
they must or must not do, even though my<br/>
intent is for those readers to help change<br/>
what is wrong and clarify what is right...<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
Now I will try to understand you even more<br/>
clearly by asking questions according to<br/>
what I perceive as your intent in each case:<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
Dante-Gabryell Monson wrote:<br/>
<span class="quot">> I would like to have a tool that goes to the core,</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> so that any agents in the system can find out or</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> choose if they can <a href="mak.htm">mak</a>e overlapping <a href="agree.htm">agree</a>ments</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> between their preferred conditions for transactions</span><br/>
<br/>
<span class="quot">> For example, an agent has a project,</span><br/>
<br/>
Does "a project" mean "a plan for <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>tion"?<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
<span class="quot">> and this project has a request,</span><br/>
<br/>
Maybe something like "need the cow milked"?<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
<span class="quot">> and the agent defines the project,</span><br/>
<br/>
Maybe this includes details of compensation?<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
<span class="quot">> the requests, and the conditions of each</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> of the transactions with metadata, and</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> based on this metadata, it can more easily</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> be queried and matched.</span><br/>
<br/>
Do you mean so we can <a href="trad.htm">trad</a>e <a href="skill.htm">skill</a>s,<br/>
so we can have specialization?<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
<span class="quot">> Actually, in the approach I <a href="imag.htm">imag</a>ine,</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> any kind of transaction contract can be</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> described / suggested, queried,</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> then <a href="agree.htm">agree</a>d upon.</span><br/>
<br/>
I like this <a href="ide.htm">ide</a>a if it will help us <a href="work.htm">work</a> toward<br/>
improving a 'best' Transaction Contract<br/>
which can then be suggested to all <a href="new.htm">new</a>comers,<br/>
a bit like the way the <a href="gnu.htm">GNU</a> <a href="gpl.htm">GPL</a> is the<br/>
defacto standard for most <a href="free.htm">Free</a> Software.<br/>
<br/>
I think this is important so we can gain<br/>
the sufficient momentum needed to overcome<br/>
Capitalism - to <a href="mak.htm">mak</a>e that system obsolete.<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
<span class="quot">> my principal concern is to reduce</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> the opportunities for centralized control,</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> hence any approach that goes towards</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> further distributing control suits me best.</span><br/>
<br/>
Absolutely.<br/>
<br/>
We want to "dis-tribute" control -<br/>
so we can finally stop <a href="pay.htm">pay</a>ing<br/>
tribute <small>(<a href="profit.htm">profit</a>)</small> to others.<br/>
<br/>
Paradoxically, that is why I claim<br/>
we must, as groups, collect <a href="profit.htm">profit</a><br/>
from those who do not yet have<br/>
<a href="own.htm">own</a>ership so we can treat it in<br/>
the 'correct' manner - for if WE<br/>
do not collect <a href="profit.htm">profit</a>, OTHERS<br/>
certainly will, and at that point<br/>
the decision about how to treat<br/>
that special value will be out of<br/>
our jurisdiction.<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
<span class="quot">> I do not mind a "shares" approach,</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> especially if it are shares <a href="own.htm">own</a>ed</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> by the people that <a href="use.htm">use</a> it.</span><br/>
<br/>
Yes, of course. By *all* the <a href="user.htm">user</a>s,<br/>
even if they arrive late.<br/>
<br/>
We must worry about "late coming"<br/>
<a href="user.htm">user</a>s who do not yet have <a href="own.htm">own</a>ership<br/>
because they are dependent upon<br/>
the <a href="curr.htm">curr</a>ent <a href="own.htm">own</a>ers in such a way<br/>
that allows those <a href="own.htm">own</a>ers to charge<br/>
a <a href="pric.htm">pric</a>e above the <a href="real.htm">real</a> <a href="cost.htm">cost</a>s of<br/>
<a href="produc.htm">produc</a>tion - coercing those late-<br/>
comers to <a href="pay.htm">pay</a> <a href="profit.htm">profit</a>.<br/>
<br/>
If that overpayment is treated<br/>
as that <a href="pay.htm">pay</a>er's investment, the<br/>
<a href="own.htm">own</a>ership of that <a href="pay.htm">pay</a>er increases<br/>
incrementally - so that <a href="profit.htm">profit</a><br/>
within the whole system will<br/>
naturally, continuously and safely<br/>
approach zero as it should.<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
<span class="quot">> The intention to reduce then eradicate monopolies,</span><br/>
<br/>
Yes, yes, let's dis-tribute all<br/>
<a href="own.htm">own</a>ership by helping everyone<br/>
invest - even latecomers who<br/>
will be investing for their <a href="own.htm">own</a><br/>
good when they <a href="pay.htm">pay</a> <a href="profit.htm">profit</a>.<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
<span class="quot">> I could <a href="imag.htm">imag</a>ine such conditions could be defined</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> in the "license" of the shares ?</span><br/>
<br/>
Yes, I think of this as a<br/>
Terms of Operation, which<br/>
I think is quite common for<br/>
organizations of all types<br/>
to have drawn up for the<br/>
purpose understanding the<br/>
goals and restrictions within<br/>
that domain...<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
<span class="quot">> For example, only enable purchase of shares</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> equivalent to the potential usage of a person,</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> and in case it is not for personal usage</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> <small>( in the case of an investment )</small>, define</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> specific conditions which do not <a href="mak.htm">mak</a>e it speculative.</span><br/>
<br/>
I <a href="agree.htm">agree</a>, and have some very<br/>
specific approaches to trying<br/>
to achieve those goals, but<br/>
won't go into that now for fear<br/>
of overloading the conversation.<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
<hr/><span class="date">Feb-17-2011:</span> Welcome to the oscd-list<br/>
Jason Hibbets wrote:<br/>
<span class="quot">> Welcome to the list.</span><br/>
<br/>
Thanks.<br/>
<br/>
I'll be lurking at first and reading archives.<br/>
<br/>
If the community seems fit, I would eventually like to present my<br/>
findings about how we can move toward Open <a href="sourc.htm">Sourc</a>e <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>tion in the<br/>
physical <a href="real.htm">real</a>m.<br/>
<br/>
I'm not just talking Open designs. I'm talking about a plan to bring<br/>
about the Opening of instances of *Physical* <a href="sourc.htm">Sourc</a>es - where the<br/>
Physical <a href="sourc.htm">Sourc</a>e of an egg is a chicken and all 'supporting' <a href="sourc.htm">sourc</a>es<br/>
such as <a href="land.htm">land</a>, water, feed, etc.<br/>
<br/>
<hr/><span class="date">Feb-11-2011:</span> Reading about "Corn Laws" <a href="use.htm">use</a>d to <a href="prop.htm">prop</a>-up grain <a href="pric.htm">pric</a>es.<br/>
<br/>
<hr/><span class="date">Feb-11-2011:</span> <small>[P2P-URBANISM WA]</small> Biourbanism, a definition<br/>
Romulo Krafta wrote:<br/>
<span class="quot">> I definitely will not give up my</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> scotch whiskey, chilean salmon</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> french brie, amazoniam pirarucu</span><br/>
<br/>
I wonder why <a href="prop.htm">prop</a>osing local <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>tion<br/>
causes a fear of losing global purchasing.<br/>
<br/>
Not everyone can afford to <a href="pay.htm">pay</a> for the <a href="cost.htm">cost</a>s of<br/>
shipping alcohol, cheese and fish around the world.<br/>
<br/>
Most people just need good, clean food under their<br/>
<a href="own.htm">own</a> control and at the <a href="real.htm">real</a> <a href="cost.htm">cost</a>s of <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>tion.<br/>
<br/>
In-city aquaculture doesn't need to be a burden<br/>
for those that do not want to <a href="co-own.htm">co-own</a> those<br/>
<a href="produc.htm">produc</a>tive <a href="sourc.htm">sourc</a>es.<br/>
<br/>
We already dedicate massive <a href="land.htm">land</a> and water and<br/>
other re<a href="sourc.htm">sourc</a>es to zoos and theme-parks that raise<br/>
only ornamental organisms.<br/>
<br/>
We can move toward choosing plants and animals<br/>
that serve a dual purpose of creating beauty for<br/>
the citizens as a whole while also being a <a href="sourc.htm">sourc</a>e<br/>
of <a href="employ.htm">employ</a>ment and nourishment for those with less.<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
<hr/><span class="date">Feb-11-2011:</span> <small>[P2P-URBANISM WA]</small> Biourbanism, a definition<br/>
Growing some a<a href="mount.htm">mount</a> of food within a city need not to be such a stark yes/no question.<br/>
<br/>
A look outside my city window shows hundreds, even thousands of trees and bushes and vines that could be the varieties that <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>e nuts, fruit, spices, herbs and for other purposes such as raw materials of <a href="soap.htm">soap</a><a href="mak.htm">mak</a>ing, cloth, even <a href="buil.htm">buil</a>ding materials.<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
Jan Wiklund <jan.wiklund@<a class="ext" href="http://srf.nu">srf.nu</a>> wrote:<br/>
<span class="quot">></span><br/>
<span class="quot">> The only thing we can be sure of is that spreading out of people not <a href="work.htm">work</a>ing</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> in the agricultural business is stealing <a href="land.htm">land</a> from agriculture and</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> increasing the <a href="ecol.htm">ecol</a>ogical footprint of cities.</span><br/>
<br/>
<br/>
Sprawl is caused by a <a href="proper.htm">proper</a>ty tax system that punishes improvements instead of holdings.<br/>
<br/>
This can be addressed by weighting taxes against holdings instead of against improvements.<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
<hr/><span class="date">Feb-10-2011:</span> <a href="art.htm">Art</a>icle : Debt Defaults, Austerity, and Death of the "Social Europe" <a href="mod.htm">Mod</a>el<br/>
Jeffrey Sommers and Michael Hudson wrote:<br/>
<span class="quot">> There is an alternative, of course.</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> It is for cr<a href="edit.htm">edit</a>ors at the top of the <a href="econ.htm">econ</a>omic pyramid to take a loss.</span><br/>
<br/>
This assumes all investment must be for exchange-value.<br/>
<br/>
The very people in need can invest if they can learn to cooperate for <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>tion of that which they need.<br/>
<br/>
People can co-invest for <a href="use.htm">use</a>-value by committing Capital and Labor toward <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>tion for which they have immediate <a href="use.htm">use</a> of the output.<br/>
<br/>
These consumers-as-inve<a href="stor.htm">stor</a>s will then not rely upon keeping <a href="pric.htm">pric</a>e above <a href="cost.htm">cost</a>, for the <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>t will not even be sold - it is already in the hands of those who will <a href="use.htm">use</a> it.<br/>
<br/>
The only other important <a href="part.htm">part</a> is for those groups, when they finally have surplus <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>t, to recognize that selling that <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>t can usually be done at a <a href="pric.htm">pric</a>e above <a href="cost.htm">cost</a> because the late-coming buyer is at a disadvantage.<br/>
<br/>
If they can see that <a href="pric.htm">pric</a>e above <a href="cost.htm">cost</a> is a measure of the <a href="pay.htm">pay</a>er's dependence upon the <a href="curr.htm">curr</a>ent <a href="own.htm">own</a>ers, they can then see why treating that <a href="diff.htm">diff</a>erence as an investment from that <a href="pay.htm">pay</a>er will act as a negative-feed<a href="back.htm">back</a> loop causing <a href="pric.htm">pric</a>e to continually approach <a href="cost.htm">cost</a> in a safe manner as all <a href="user.htm">user</a>s incrementally gain <a href="own.htm">own</a>ership <small>(for the purpose of <a href="use.htm">use</a>-value)</small> in the a<a href="mount.htm">mount</a> they are willing to overpay for that which they need.<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
<hr/><span class="date">Feb-10-2011:</span> Joined <a class="ext" href="http://ContactCon.com">ContactCon.com</a><br/>
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<hr/><span class="date">Feb-07-2011:</span> Global Dimming through Aerosol Geoengineering - does it increase or decrease the damage?<br/>
I've been watching them <a href="spray.htm">spray</a> our skies for years now.<br/>
<br/>
Angered and saddened as each beautiful morning is turned to an <a href="art.htm">art</a>ificially overcast afternoon.<br/>
<br/>
<a class="ext" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratospheric_sulfate_aerosols_%28geoengineering%29">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratospheric_sulfate_aerosols_%28geoengineering%29</a> talks about the benefits.<br/>
<br/>
What are the opinions on this list?<br/>
<br/>
Should this be <a href="part.htm">part</a> of our <a href="game.htm">game</a>/simulation?<br/>
<br/>
It will effect the agriculture output, and so limit the <a href="pop.htm">pop</a>ulation. Is this good or bad?<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
<hr/><span class="date">Feb-07-2011:</span> <a class="ext" href="http://Gurstein.WordPress.com/2011/02/04/is-facebook-a-human-right-egypt-and-tunisia-transform-social-media">Gurstein.WordPress.com/2011/02/04/is-facebook-a-human-right-egypt-and-tunisia-transform-social-media</a><br/>
<br/>
Is water a human right?<br/>
Is food? Is shelter?<br/>
Is communication and transportation?<br/>
<br/>
If so, then why do we leave it up to the corporations to supply us with those needs when we <a href="know.htm">know</a> those entities must never allow us to fully succeed, for to do so would destroy the only motive for their existence: <a href="profit.htm">profit</a>.<br/>
<br/>
And of course government entities can never do anything of value, as they are simply an arm of those usurist corporations, and so are held in check to keep us from gaining the ground that would bring us from under the thumb of those who revel in our misery because of the way scarcity increases Exchange Value.<br/>
<br/>
We could organize as consumers of those things to <a href="co-own.htm">co-own</a> the Means of <a href="produc.htm">Produc</a>tion for <a href="use.htm">Use</a>-Value if we could only see what enormous benefit it would bring.<br/>
<br/>
We, as consumers, must create <a href="new.htm">new</a> organizations that allow us to invest for the purpose of receiving at-<a href="cost.htm">cost</a> <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>t.<br/>
<br/>
Our ROI would be the <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>t itself which we would attain without <a href="pay.htm">pay</a>ing tribute to any others, and under our collective control.<br/>
<br/>
For as long as we do not organize to <a href="own.htm">own</a> the <a href="sourc.htm">sourc</a>es of that which we need, those who *do* organize to <a href="own.htm">own</a> the <a href="sourc.htm">sourc</a>es of that which we need will <a href="use.htm">use</a> that <a href="own.htm">own</a>ership against us to keep those <a href="obj.htm">obj</a>ectives <a href="art.htm">art</a>ificially scarce for the purpose keeping <a href="pric.htm">pric</a>e above <a href="cost.htm">cost</a> in their quest to be paid without <a href="work.htm">work</a>ing.<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
Patrick Anderson<br/>
<a href="social sufficiency coalition.htm">Social Sufficiency Coalition</a><br/>
<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
<hr/><span class="date">Feb-05-2011:</span> Would you like to write about how to set up a mesh <a href="net.htm">net</a><a href="work.htm">work</a><br/>
The following are not necessarily focused on 'mesh' <a href="net.htm">net</a><a href="work.htm">work</a>ing, but are more generally addressing the shared <a href="proper.htm">proper</a>ty <a href="own.htm">own</a>ership of that physical infrastructure.<br/>
<br/>
On a similar <a href="note.htm">note</a>: I am forming a plan for an alternative organizational form <small>(or business <a href="mod.htm">mod</a>el)</small> that solves the typical problem of power concentration during the growth of such endeavors which would apply across all types of sharing, not just internet access.<br/>
<br/>
----<br/>
<a class="ext" href="http://Frankston.com">http://Frankston.com</a> <span class="quot2">>>My <a href="curr.htm">curr</a>ent interest is moving beyond the 19th century concept of telecom to community <a href="own.htm">own</a>ed infrastructure. This would add hundreds of billions of dollars to the US and much more value by creating opportunity for what we can't <a href="imag.htm">imag</a>ine.</span><br/>
<br/>
<a class="ext" href="http://VillageTelco.org">http://VillageTelco.org</a> <span class="quot2">>>an easy-to-<a href="use.htm">use</a>, scalable, standards-based, wireless, local, do-it-yourself, telephone company toolkit</span><br/>
<br/>
<a class="ext" href="http://TheConnective.net">http://TheConnective.net</a> <span class="quot2">>>Together we can replace the telco's 'last mile' - the communication <a href="net.htm">net</a><a href="work.htm">work</a>s at the neighborhood level - with our <a href="own.htm">own</a> 'first mile' of <a href="free.htm">free</a> and open connectivity.</span><br/>
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<a class="ext" href="http://netBlazr.com">http://netBlazr.com</a> <span class="quot2">>><a href="net.htm">net</a>Blazr customizes next-generation, but commercially tested, directional radios and <a href="net.htm">net</a><a href="work.htm">work</a>ing equipment to deliver high-speed broadband through your office window.</span><br/>
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<a class="ext" href="http://MuniNetworks.org">http://MuniNetworks.org</a> <span class="quot2">>>Communities across America have set up community broadband <a href="net.htm">net</a><a href="work.htm">work</a>s to ensure access to affordable, fast <a href="net.htm">net</a><a href="work.htm">work</a>s.</span><br/>
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<a class="ext" href="http://MediaPolicy.NewAmerica.net/publications/policy/from_the_digital_divide_to_digital_excellence">http://MediaPolicy.NewAmerica.net/publications/policy/from_the_digital_divide_to_digital_excellence</a> <span class="quot2">>>From the Digital Divide to Digital Excellence</span><br/>
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<a class="ext" href="http://WeRebuild.eu">http://WeRebuild.eu</a> <span class="quot2">>>We Re<a href="buil.htm">buil</a>d is a decentralized cluster of <a href="net.htm">net</a> activists who have joined forces to <a href="collab.htm">collab</a>orate on issues concerning access to a <a href="free.htm">free</a> Internet without intrusive surveillance.</span><br/>
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<a class="ext" href="http://seattlewireless.net">http://seattlewireless.net</a> <span class="quot2">>>SeattleWireless is a grassroots Community Wireless <a href="net.htm">Net</a><a href="work.htm">work</a> project in Seattle, Washington. Its goals include the creation of a broadband wireless metropolitan area <a href="net.htm">net</a><a href="work.htm">work</a>, as well as the creation of tools that help us achieve that goal.</span><br/>
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<a class="ext" href="http://Sites.Google.com/site/wasabinetwifi">http://Sites.Google.com/site/wasabinetwifi</a> <span class="quot2">>>Do you want $9.99/month wireless Internet without needing a telephone line, cable TV, or satellite? Do you want <a href="free.htm">free</a> e<a href="mail.htm">mail</a>? Do you want to <a href="own.htm">own</a> your community's Internet <a href="net.htm">net</a><a href="work.htm">work</a> with your neighbors?</span><br/>
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<a class="ext" href="http://guifi.net">http://guifi.net</a><br/>
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Patrick Anderson<br/>
<a href="social sufficiency coalition.htm">Social Sufficiency Coalition</a><br/>
<a class="ext" href="http://SourceFreedom.BlogSpot.com">http://SourceFreedom.BlogSpot.com</a><br/>
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<hr/><span class="date">Feb-03-2011:</span> <a class="ext" href="http://INETEconomics.org">INETEconomics.org</a> <span class="quot2">>>The Institute for <a href="new.htm">New</a> <a href="econ.htm">Econ</a>omic Thinking</span><br/>
Dante-Gabryell Monson wrote:<br/>
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<span class="quot">> for alternative <a href="econ.htm">econ</a>omics/governance,</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> I personally want to <a href="use.htm">use</a> transaction tools that enable anyone to create or</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> share protocols.</span><br/>
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I think I understand what you mean, but let me ask to <a href="mak.htm">mak</a>e sure:<br/>
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Are you saying you want to <a href="buil.htm">buil</a>d some sort of "interaction platform" that helps individuals express their <a href="own.htm">own</a> understanding or approach to what needs to be done?<br/>
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If so, then I <a href="agree.htm">agree</a>. More on that below.<br/>
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<span class="quot">> An open <a href="sourc.htm">sourc</a>e distributed approach, not <a href="econ.htm">econ</a>omic and governance protocols</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> decided by an elite. <small>( some of these think thanks think about "alternative</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> <a href="econ.htm">econ</a>omics", but not much of it looks "open <a href="sourc.htm">sourc</a>e" and equipotentially</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> <a href="part.htm">part</a>icipatory )</small></span><br/>
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Yes, I <a href="agree.htm">agree</a> here too, but I like to investigate what the elite are doing to glean bits that may be <a href="use.htm">use</a>ful in out <a href="own.htm">own</a> construction, and to also have a peek into what they are doing wrong, so we can try to avoid those <a href="part.htm">part</a>s.<br/>
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<span class="quot">> I believe in contributing to a trans-disciplinary intentional aggregator for</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> people supporting such tools facilitating the emergent bottom up approach to</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> folksonomies and ontologies for transaction contracts - across and between</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> various relational dynamics and <a href="econ.htm">econ</a>omic <a href="net.htm">net</a><a href="work.htm">work</a>s.</span><br/>
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Wow, that's a mouthful. I'm not sure I completely understand.<br/>
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Maybe you could tell me using smaller words? Sorry if that sounds rude - I'm just burned-out from <a href="work.htm">work</a> and am having trouble thinking right now.<br/>
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<span class="quot">> I believe we have , together, the connections to environments and individual</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> people,</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> who have sufficient experience , <a href="skill.htm">skill</a>s, <a href="know.htm">know</a>ledge, or even reputation,</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> as to further converge re<a href="sourc.htm">sourc</a>es and their development towards such open</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> <a href="sourc.htm">sourc</a>e <a href="user.htm">user</a> interfaces.</span><br/>
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Is this about a <a href="game.htm">game</a>/wiki/<a href="mail.htm">mail</a>-list/software of some sort?<br/>
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<span class="quot">> When these emerge, I feel each of the variants of <a href="econ.htm">econ</a>omic contracts and</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> transactions can be <a href="prop.htm">prop</a>osed.</span><br/>
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I think I understand. My vision is to <a href="mak.htm">mak</a>e a simple <a href="game.htm">game</a> system that represents a portion our physical <a href="real.htm">real</a>ity so rudimentary needs such as food and shelter must be dealt with, and to not impose any <a href="art.htm">art</a>ificial constraints such as <a href="proper.htm">proper</a>ty-law, but also to *allow* such constraints - so that groups of players will <a href="start.htm">start</a> organizing as they try to fulfill their needs.<br/>
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I <a href="imag.htm">imag</a>ine most players would organize as standard Capitalism teaches us, and I would want the <a href="game.htm">game</a> system to allow such gatherings.<br/>
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Others would organize <a href="diff.htm">diff</a>e<a href="rent.htm">rent</a>ly from Capitalism, as they fit. Some of those patterns would be more effective in meeting goals and in preserving nature, while others would be even worse.<br/>
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<span class="quot">> I am in touch with Seth <small>( bcc )</small>, and I resonate a lot with the "<a href="stor.htm">stor</a>y</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> telling" approach,</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> which enables <a href="prop.htm">prop</a>ositions to be made,</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> and as I would then like to see it,</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> enable visualization of choices for interdependencies.</span><br/>
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I don't think I've heard of this. I feel so alone in my search, as I think I have solved one small <a href="part.htm">part</a> of the problem, but have great <a href="diff.htm">diff</a>iculty expressing it in a digestible manner.<br/>
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<span class="quot">> I am also in touch with Bernard Lietaer, here in Belgium, who could,</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> based on a plan,</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> facilitate such process through the recognition he has in certain</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> <a href="back.htm">back</a>grounds.</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> There is a possibility for <a href="part.htm">part</a>nerships.</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> Define precise goals, converging friends,</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> and eventually get institutional support,</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> is what I would like to move towards.</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> How to <a href="start.htm">start</a> communicating such approach ?</span><br/>
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I hope we can find a way.<br/>
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