Cod. orient. 271a nv #2715

nafisa-valieva · 2024-11-25T17:59:01Z

I have updated the record for the exhibition. I have not added incipit or explicit, since the text is available in LIT id. Let me know if you want me to add the text.

karljonaskarlsson · 2024-11-26T08:14:35Z

Hamburg/Stabi/SHOr271a.xml

-                                    <locus from="64" to="71"/>
-                                  </item>
+                <collation>
+                  <signatures> Quire marks on the upper left corner of the first leaf of each quire


If you want to and have the information available, it is possible to encode the quire numbers also within the individual quires. I think it looks good in the visualization :)

It means to change Eliana´s work, but I think it is ok to do so.

karljonaskarlsson · 2024-11-26T08:15:22Z

Hamburg/Stabi/SHOr271a.xml

+                  </dimensions>
+                  <ab type="ruling" subtype="pattern">1-1-11/0/0/C</ab>
+                  <ab type="pricking" subtype="pattern"> The layout corresponds to the pattern I
+                    defined by D. Nosnitsin: the text is written above the first ruled line, the


Maybe better to refer to Denis's publication than just to his name?

"pattern I defined" is confusing, because "I" can be read as "me". Better: "The layout corresponds to the pattern 1, defined by D. Nosnitsin."

But if Denis uses Latin numbers, I think it's better to keep them. However, maybe "Pattern I", with a capitalized "p", would make it clear? It could also be italicized.

I see, that a comma in this place is grammatically incorrect. It is better to write this way:
The layout corresponds to pattern I as defined by D. Nosnitsin:

karljonaskarlsson · 2024-11-26T08:15:33Z

Hamburg/Stabi/SHOr271a.xml

+                  </dimensions>
+                  <ab type="ruling" subtype="pattern">1-1-11/0/0/C</ab>
+                  <ab type="pricking" subtype="pattern"> The layout corresponds to the pattern I
+                    defined by D. Nosnitsin: the text is written above the first ruled line, the


karljonaskarlsson · 2024-11-26T08:16:00Z

Hamburg/Stabi/SHOr271a.xml

+              <handNote script="Ethiopic" xml:id="h1">
+                <date notBefore="1700" notAfter="1800"/>
+                <seg type="ink">18th cent. Black, red</seg>
+                <note>According to Charles, ´It was written in the 18th cent. Is was possibly


Here it would also be good to refer to the publication

karljonaskarlsson · 2024-11-26T08:19:17Z

Hamburg/Stabi/SHOr271a.xml

+            <additions>
+              <list>
+                <item xml:id="a1">
+                  <desc>Donation note from J. M. Flad to his beloved brother Haussmann.</desc>


This, I suppose, is PRS4133Flad. Maybe one could add the reference?

Since this is a model description it would be good to do as much mark up as one can. So all owners must be annotated as persName with role="owner".
A record is also needed for Haussmann. On him, see JOHANN LUDWIG KRAPF (ed.), Bericht Ûber die neuesten Vorgänge in Abessinien im Jahr 1863 von C. F. Haussmann, Pilger-Missionar (Basel 1864). https://www.bmarchives.org/items/browse/#c=5100

It is an archival record, as far as I could see, it has not been published yet. I have discussed with Denis what would be a solution and came up with the record you have seen. If you want me to refer to this archival record which needs to be treated as a manuscript, I will do it, but I would be grateful for an example.

bm:KrapfHaussmann1864Bericht
bm:Haussmann1864Bericht

great! thank you!

eu-genia · 2024-11-26T09:43:30Z

Hamburg/Stabi/SHOr271a.xml

+            <additions>
+              <list>
+                <item xml:id="a1">
+                  <desc>Donation note from J. M. Flad to his beloved brother Haussmann.</desc>


can you add types to additions? thank you

eu-genia · 2024-11-26T09:47:03Z

Hamburg/Stabi/SHOr271a.xml

+            <additions>
+              <list>
+                <item xml:id="a1">
+                  <desc>Donation note from J. M. Flad to his beloved brother Haussmann.</desc>


Since this is a model description it would be good to do as much mark up as one can. So all owners must be annotated as persName with role="owner".
A record is also needed for Haussmann. On him, see JOHANN LUDWIG KRAPF (ed.), Bericht Ûber die neuesten Vorgänge in Abessinien im Jahr 1863 von C. F. Haussmann, Pilger-Missionar (Basel 1864). https://www.bmarchives.org/items/browse/#c=5100

eu-genia · 2024-11-26T09:48:40Z

Hamburg/Stabi/SHOr271a.xml

-                    </msContents>
+            <msItem xml:id="ms_i1">
+              <locus from="2ra" to="69vb"/>
+              <title type="complete" ref="LIT1340EnochE">Enoch</title>


since this is a model description that will be featured in the exhibition it would be good to supply all that we can, so also incipit and explicit in this case, to show off what we can.

eu-genia · 2024-11-26T09:49:15Z

Hamburg/Stabi/SHOr271a.xml

+                <date notBefore="1700" notAfter="1800"/>
+                <seg type="ink">18th cent. Black, red</seg>
+                <note>According to Charles, ´It was written in the 18th cent. Is was possibly
+                  written by the same scribe as Ms.o (=Ms.orient.491 [lies: 499] in the British


the reference to the manuscript must also be marked up

eu-genia · 2024-11-26T09:49:32Z

Hamburg/Stabi/SHOr271a.xml

-                        </decoDesc>
+            <decoDesc>
+              <decoNote type="punctuation" xml:id="d1">
+                <locus target="#69vb n3"/>


I do not understand this target

eu-genia · 2024-11-26T09:51:10Z

Hamburg/Stabi/SHOr271a.xml

+            <origin>
+              <origDate notBefore="1700" notAfter="1800" evidence="lettering context"/>
+            </origin>
+            <provenance><persName ref="PRS4133Flad"/> bought the manuscript sometime between <date


add role="owner"

eu-genia · 2024-11-26T09:51:25Z

Hamburg/Stabi/SHOr271a.xml

+            <provenance><persName ref="PRS4133Flad"/> bought the manuscript sometime between <date
+                when="1855"/> and <date when="1894"/> during his stays in <placeName
+                ref="LOC3010Ethiop"/>. <persName ref="PRS4133Flad"/> then gave the manuscript to his
+              ´beloved brother Haussmann´. <persName ref="PRS14592Westenholz"/> bought the


mark up Haussmann, see above

eu-genia · 2024-11-26T09:54:16Z

Hamburg/Stabi/SHOr271a.xml

+                <source>
+                  <listBibl type="catalogue">
+                    <bibl>
+                      <ptr target="bm:Brockelmann1908KatalogHamburg"/>


add relevant pages

eu-genia · 2024-11-26T09:54:46Z

Hamburg/Stabi/SHOr271a.xml

+                  <listBibl type="secondary">
+
+                    <bibl>
+                      <ptr target="bm:KnibbUllendorff1978Enoch2"/>


add relevant pages (speaking of this particular witness)

eu-genia · 2024-11-26T09:55:02Z

Hamburg/Stabi/SHOr271a.xml

+                      <ptr target="bm:KnibbUllendorff1978Enoch2"/>
+                    </bibl>
+                    <bibl>
+                      <ptr target="bm:Uhlig1984Henochbuch"/>


CarstenHoffmannMarburg · 2024-11-28T20:30:44Z

Hamburg/Stabi/SHOr271a.xml

+                    in the outer. </ab>
+                </layout>
+                <layout columns="2" writtenLines="26 27">
+                  <note>Data on dimension are taken from <locus target="#68r"/>.</note>


CarstenHoffmannMarburg · 2024-11-28T20:31:41Z

Hamburg/Stabi/SHOr271a.xml

+                    <dim type="intercolumn">10</dim>
+                  </dimensions>
+                  <ab type="ruling" subtype="pattern">1-1-11/0/0/C</ab>
+                  <ab type="pricking" subtype="pattern"> The layout corresponds to the pattern I


1 and comma, as above

karljonaskarlsson · 2024-12-05T07:46:30Z

@nafisa-valieva , you have still not implemented the changes for some of the things you "thumbs-upped", it seems! Just so you don't forget :)

nafisa-valieva · 2024-12-05T07:48:46Z

@nafisa-valieva , you have still not implemented the changes for some of the things you "thumbs-upped", it seems! Just so you don't forget :)

yes yes! I have implemented the changes, but not pushed them yet because there are things I am working on.

nafisa-valieva · 2024-12-11T10:59:30Z

@karljonaskarlsson @eu-genia @CarstenHoffmannMarburg, i believe I have addressed all your comments and would be happy now, in case I have not missed anything, to have you approve.

eu-genia

thank you

CarstenHoffmannMarburg · 2024-12-11T12:07:27Z

Hamburg/Stabi/SHOr271a.xml

@@ -189,7 +193,7 @@ type="application/xml" schematypens="http://purl.oclc.org/dsdl/schematron"?>
                <seg type="ink">18th cent. Black, red</seg>
                <seg type="rubrication">A few lines, alternating with black lines, on the incipit
                  page of text 1.1(<locus target="#2r"/>), of part 71 (<locus target="#36v"/>);
-                  navigating element <foreign>ክፍል፡ </foreign> for ´indicating the beginning of a new
+                  navigating element <foreign>ክፍል፡ </foreign> for idicating the beginning of a new


CarstenHoffmannMarburg · 2024-12-11T12:09:12Z

Hamburg/Stabi/SHOr271a.xml

-                <item xml:id="a2">
-                  <desc type="StampExlibris">Signature written in pencil: "Cod. Orient. 271a = 130
+                <item xml:id="e1">
+                  <desc>Signature written in pencil: "Cod. Orient. 271a = 130


Why did you delete StampExlibris here?

Why did you delete StampExlibris here?

I have spoken with Dorothea, these types of additions are rather element, elements do not need ´type´

CarstenHoffmannMarburg · 2024-12-11T12:09:29Z

Hamburg/Stabi/SHOr271a.xml

-                <item xml:id="a3">
-                  <desc type="Unclear">Note written in pencil: "1905 5388"</desc>
+                <item xml:id="e2">
+                  <desc>Note written in pencil: "1905 5388"</desc>


StampExlibris?

same as above.

CarstenHoffmannMarburg · 2024-12-11T12:17:22Z

Hamburg/Stabi/SHOr271a.xml

-                  in the 18th cent. Is was possibly written by the same scribe as Ms.o
-                  (=Ms.orient.491 [lies: 499] in the British Museum).`</note>
+                  in the 18th cent. Is was possibly written by the same scribe as Ms.o (=<ref
+                    type="mss" corresp="BLorient491">.orient.491 [lies: 499] in the British


[lies: 499] = [read: 499]? Is it a misreading or an alternative shelfmark? Is it a convention to implement it like this? I think, it would be better to solve the unclear notation in the manuscript record of BLorient491.

I think, the readable text in the tag should not start with a dot. I propose:
Is was possibly written by the same scribe as Ms.o (= Ms. orient, referring to <ref type="mss" BLorient491"/>).

to the first comment: I do not know, I am just quoting the quoted comment. I understand your point, but I will think what to do.

CarstenHoffmannMarburg · 2024-12-11T12:19:03Z

Hamburg/Stabi/SHOr271a.xml

@@ -276,6 +279,10 @@ type="application/xml" schematypens="http://purl.oclc.org/dsdl/schematron"?>
                  also a letter with the details of the purchase. </decoNote>
              </binding>
            </bindingDesc>
+            <accMat>Small stripe of <material key="paper">paper</material>: "Handschriften Sammlung
+              Freihr. a.d. v. <persName ref="PRS14592Westenholz">Westenholz</persName>


I think "v." belongs to the name "von Westenholz" and should be integrated in the tag:
<persName ref="PRS14592Westenholz">v. Westenholz</persName>

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Cod. orient. 271a nv #2715

Cod. orient. 271a nv #2715

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