Discussion about the Sociable status #2186
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What I've seen the main issue being risen is that there isn't enough options for being notified and contact sorting for the notification and that if these options were created, it'd be in a much better state |
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Please can you explain why you think it warrants a full removal, rather than editing and a reimplementation? (As just saying "no" isn't helpful feedback) |
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Again, you're not giving any constructive feedback on the feature, which is the most helpful type of feedback. |
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Recently the newly deployed Sociable status was given some criticism, and not even a full 24 hours afterwards. A post appeared in the Resonite Discord's #devlog channel that seemed to give notice about removing this new feature. A lot of users are confused with this statement, as it seems to miss some of the voices of others. The status spam issue has since been fixed, and the only primary problem was that it felt "pushy" due to it having it's own full toast and sound for a simple "second online" status. |
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I like the idea of the Sociable status being a "second online" status. There is already a contact system to poke people individually instead of doing an @everyone on your contacts and i think this status complements very well with this. |
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@Zyro1331 - I am currently in the process of reading through criticism and praise of the feature with a goal of determining a list of actionable items that can be raised with the team to tweak the implementation of this feature and resolve issues raised about it. I am uncertain of the exact chain of events that led to what transpired- however, I have seen a small portion of feedback provided in various channels that does not meet our reporting requirements to use objective, and neutral language. There has been a lot of emotional response to this particular feature- which was expressed rather passionately in some of the feedback that has been provided, and I think that was what lead things to happen as they did. We encourage users to submit feedback here on GitHub so that features can be tweaked, and improved- similar to recent changes made to the facet anchor system to make it more flexible, and customizable- but as noted, we also require users to be objective, and neutral in the language they use- focusing on the underlying issues rather than the emotional/social weight/pressure a given issue has on the community. |
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Hey @Frooxius, I saw in the devlog that you wanted to remove the sociable status, and I'd like to as k some questions about it.
What didn't people like about it? And why don't people want it?
Like what? I haven't heard anything, and the feature from my short usage seems really good.
This I can understand, but... what mark are you trying to hit? I'm assuming this would be somewhere in the gh issue for the feature request? Also, I'm also confused about this: |
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Asking the real questions here. Honestly through, the only complaint I heard from my friend group was the sound thing and that's it. Otherwise the feature and intent behind it are completely reasonable and neat actually. |
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@Lexevolution - I am currently in the process of reading through criticism and praise of the feature with a goal of determining a list of actionable items that can be raised with the team to tweak the implementation of this feature and resolve issues raised about it. I am uncertain of the exact chain of events that led to what transpired- however, I have seen a small portion of feedback provided in various channels that does not meet our reporting requirements to use objective, and neutral language. There has been a lot of emotional response to this particular feature- which was expressed rather passionately in some of the feedback that has been provided, and I think that was what lead things to happen as they did. We encourage users to submit feedback here on GitHub so that features can be tweaked, and improved- similar to recent changes made to the facet anchor system to make it more flexible, and customizable- but as noted, we also require users to be objective, and neutral in the language they use- focusing on the underlying issues rather than the emotional/social weight/pressure a given issue has on the community. |
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With a few minor changes, such as settings for contacts list ordering, extra settings for the notification toast/sound, and changing the defaults for the toast/sound, this feature would not impact users who do not want to interact with it. The only change it would have for them would be a bit of text under the user on the contacts page, and nothing else. However, even with those settings to essentially disable the feature locally, it could still help users with social anxiety, or users who are unsure of which contacts are available to join. |
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This seems honestly like a pretty snap decision over a couple of small bits of feedback, and unusually jumpy and prescriptivist for this platform. It's made some bugs with contacts and notifications more visible, and there's some minor settings that need added, but it's a good feature that a bunch of people have wanted and are actively using. |
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i have been enjoying the new status alot i dont wann see it go over some miner bugs or overlooked things by accident |
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That is a good point, some bugs were fixed when this got implemented, and that alone should be more helpful than hurtful. So in a way it helps both the community and the underlying code base of the FrooxEngine. |
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This is what irks me the most about it; seemingly listening to a bunch of negative feedback instead of waiting for all kinds of feedback, and deciding to revert instead of trying to improve the feature that's clearly liked by at least some people. |
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@ko-tengu @Amunak - I am currently in the process of reading through criticism and praise of the feature with a goal of determining a list of actionable items that can be raised with the team to tweak the implementation of this feature and resolve issues raised about it. I am uncertain of the exact chain of events that led to what transpired- however, I have seen a small portion of feedback provided in various channels that does not meet our reporting requirements to use objective, and neutral language. There has been a lot of emotional response to this particular feature- which was expressed rather passionately in some of the feedback that has been provided, and I think that was what lead things to happen as they did. We encourage users to submit feedback here on GitHub so that features can be tweaked, and improved- similar to recent changes made to the facet anchor system to make it more flexible, and customizable- but as noted, we also require users to be objective, and neutral in the language they use- focusing on the underlying issues rather than the emotional/social weight/pressure a given issue has on the community. |
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In my personal opinion, I feel the feature should stay for a couple of reasons (based on my personal short-time experience with it):
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This is the exact reason why the feature was first implemented and why it's so helpful! It encourages engagement, something core to a social platform. The only issues I see being raised is over the notifications. |
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I'll simply reiterate here as I have elsewhere: This is a very welcome feature that I was very happy to see added. It may need some tweaking to address rough edges for those that don't like the implementation as-is but it seems misplaced to completely remove it. A clear and simple indication that one is receptive to invitations or contacts joining their session removes a layer of friction to social interaction. For some, a message or invitation request can be a bigger hurdle than it might seem to others. "Sociable" adds a useful layer of clarity. If this is to be removed, I would at least like to see a plan for custom status messages. It would allow users to convey such information with much more flexibility. |
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While I agree custom messages should be added. I think the Sociable status adds something extra for those with more extreme cases of social anxiety or autism. Sometimes words are hard for people... and blue shiny button says all they need to say with a single click with out even having to think. For the people this helps the most I don't think a custom status would be as beneficial if used at all (too much thinking goes into setting a custom status for people who struggle with words) Sociable status in it's current form (even without audio being on by default) is a Major Accessibility feature. |
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Custom statuses are a separate issue which will be implemented at a later time, and are covered under this issue, @PointerOffset: #913 There is room for both to exist- I am currently collating feedback provided to establish an action plan to resolve feedback raised about the existing implementation. |
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I really don't believe this should be removed either. Adjusted, sure, but not removed! A blue status is a pretty important social feature but one I'm not sure many thought about before it was added today; if you look at VRChat for example, its blue status auto-invites people who send join requests and thus provides the same "hey I'm up to hangout come join me!" sense that Resonite's sociable status currently does. Especially for new users coming to the platform they may very well be looking for a similar status. From what I can see the issues are really just the two ones that others have pointed out: the contacts list sorting as pointed out in issue #2182 and the notification toast and sound from issue #2179 New messages should definitely be sorted above sociable contacts, that's for sure. As for whether sociable and online should be mixed, I'm unsure there and that may warrant more discussion in the issue on it. And as for notifications, I think closing that issue was perhaps a bit hasty and it's worth considering the concerns about the notification some more. It's pretty evident these days that many people HEAVILY dislike being audibly pinged with notifications they don't care for, you can see the drama that occurs whenever people ping everyone in Discord example (this was especially bad during last MMC if you want to check the channel archive for it...) As such I think the notification would go over much better with people if it was visual-only by default, with the sound disabled but an option provided to enable it for those who wish, as I believe the sound aspect is the side that most bothers people who dislike the notifications being defaulted to on. But yeah, please don't remove this feature Froox! It's a lot better to make adjustments to address the concerns some people have than to scrap a feature that others enjoy entirely! |
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Also I want to add here from the discussion on Discord, it feels like a lot of decisions around this were made extremely hastily today; from its addition, to how that concern about its notifications was handled, right through to the decision to remove it. I urge the team and Froox in particular to take a step back before any further action is made on this issue and consider what has been said by the community here and elsewhere before deciding what to do about it. At the very least, it should be left alone for this upcoming weekend, to give people a better chance to judge the feature and its merits or issues. |
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I am currently in the process of reading through criticism and praise of the feature with a goal of determining a list of actionable items that can be raised with the team to tweak the implementation of this feature and resolve issues raised about it. I am uncertain of the exact chain of events that led to what transpired- however, I have seen a small portion of feedback provided in various channels that does not meet our reporting requirements to use objective, and neutral language. There has been a lot of emotional response to this particular feature- which was expressed rather passionately in some of the feedback that has been provided, and I think that was what lead things to happen as they did. We encourage users to submit feedback here on GitHub so that features can be tweaked, and improved- similar to recent changes made to the facet anchor system to make it more flexible, and customizable- but as noted, we also require users to be objective, and neutral in the language they use- focusing on the underlying issues rather than the emotional/social weight/pressure a given issue has on the community. |
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okay but fr tho. the addition of this feature has me rather neutral. tbh its a nice indicator, but I think tying it to a (default on) notif may have been a bit of an obnoxious move. I might have gone over better if the notif defaulted to off that way ppl dont get jumpscared. as to why Froox thought it needed to be removed for, who knows how long, that is unknown to me. my guess is that it was introduced to the community in a rather obtrusive way, and knowing that ppl in resonite generally like to keep to themselves I think there isn't much chance of re introducing it in a way that will make it stick. I guess Froox was just reading the room with that call. yes, you CAN turn the notif off, but remember that people generally aren't gonna be that observant. (if they were, there would be way less issues overall) |
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usually when a new feature gets added its pretty obvious what the reception is like based on how ppl react in, well the discord for the most part. all the other features I saw often get used almost immediately by everyone even if that person may have no real need for it. but this one kinda went ignored. |
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I'm not entirely sure what you're basing that off, since the discord seems to mostly be people that like the status and were actively using it. |
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That seems completely off-base. Maybe a lot of people weren't talking about it when they were using it, but I'm going to guess it's because they were too busy socializing in-game. People are now very much talking about this feature's positive impact in the Discord and here in this thread. |
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yes, AFTER it was announced to be removed. |
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negative emotions are a lot more powerful than positive, so when people were happy that it was added, they'd be less likely to mention it. upon the announcement of it being removed, people are annoyed and much more likely to say their opinion. |
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Even in my initial post on the original issue that led to this feature being added I said a "ping (meaning sound) may be too much" but having the "Anti-Busy" with a clear marker saying "poke me/join me/I want to join people" in game seemed to have been a huge success on platform. (and even more so than just a custom status text would) Resonite hasn't felt this active to me since launch (even if the player count wasn't as high). It may not seem like having a "poke me status" with out a notification is any different from "Online" but socially it very very much is treated differently by everyone, and that difference leads to amazing things. The Sound isn't needed for that same effect to happen. (notification is fine... though it may get in the way at times but that's it's own issue and is a problem even when a lot of your friends all join in at once.) I still liked the notification, popping up while I was working as it reminded me to check my friends lists as I was getting finished with my work going "oh hey friend is up to chat I should meet up as soon as I'm done here" The sound being the same as other sounds also may have exacerbated the issue. I couldn't tone it out as it was the same as an other much more important sound. (A much quieted minor sound would have also helped). but over all in game it felt like a huge success despite this minor issue. I was even tempted to join people I almost never talk to because I'm always worried they are busy (but my world was already flooded with people the moment I turned on the setting and I loved it! despite being an introvert) I honestly feel after experiencing the game with this feature I don't know if I could even go back to not having it. |
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I will also add, This feature actually made me excited to start up the game tomorrow and get to playing (which is a feeling I haven't had in a while). Knowing that I would get more people chatting and hanging out just by having the new status (and with a single button click at that which is better for those who aren't good with words). And I'm sure a large number of people who experienced it would be doing the same. This is a feature that WILL bring more active users playing the game, and have people much more active on the platform. One of the biggest issues I hear from other's when asking them why they don't spend more time on Resonite is "not knowing who to talk to" even with a contacts list full of people and this feature solves it. Seeing that it may be removed tomorrow saddens me greatly as removing it entirely will be a horrible mistake for Resonite's continued growth. |
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Do you feel that if the notification setting for the sociable status were to be made more granular to allow users to set the toast/sound to be enabled/disabled as desired- it would resolve a majority of the issue with this feature, @Azavit? E.g. similar to other notifications that allow you to set toast only, audio only, both, or neither. |
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@shiftyscales Very very much so! yes! |
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i would love to see a custom status feature per user accounts at some point |
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That is a separate issue which will be implemented separately at some point in the future. You can find the issue here: #913 If users desire it, they can thumb up the initial post of the issue so it is more likely to be prioritized. |
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I'm guessing there were discussions in game that led to the idea it should be removed because I cannot find them in the discord or here. I think the feature is a good idea but maybe should default to sorting socialabe contacts to the top of the contacts list with an optional notification this way it's easy to tell looking at your list who wants to be joined |
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If you wish to provide a link to the issue in question, I can look into it, @GlitchFlux. We have our reporting requirements and how we prioritize issues documented so that users are able to better able to work with us in getting their issues resolved. I will however be marking this comment chain as off-topic, as it is not about discussing the sociable status. |
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I think most important opinions have been stated, I agree that this should be kept (and maybe a little tweaked). I vehemently disagree with removing features just because there was some push against them without seeking feedback from all sides. However this also kinda highlights the need for better Contacts UI (#1116), and possibly the contact grouping/tagging (#915). Being able to have notification settings per contact group would be amazing, because you probably want to have different notifications for, say, people you hang out with regularly versus some new players you have added just because you have been helping them a bit over a few days or something. |
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If users wish to see those issues prioritized, they can thumb up the initial post on each as desired to signal to us interest in the feature for consideration when we choose additional priorities down the line. This is covered in our document on how we prioritize. I am currently in the process of reading through criticism and praise of the feature with a goal of determining a list of actionable items that can be raised with the team to tweak the implementation of this feature and resolve issues raised about it. I am uncertain of the exact chain of events that led to what transpired- however, I have seen a small portion of feedback provided in various channels that does not meet our reporting requirements to use objective, and neutral language. There has been a lot of emotional response to this particular feature- which was expressed rather passionately in some of the feedback that has been provided, and I think that was what lead things to happen as they did. We encourage users to submit feedback here on GitHub so that features can be tweaked, and improved- similar to recent changes made to the facet anchor system to make it more flexible, and customizable- but as noted, we also require users to be objective, and neutral in the language they use- focusing on the underlying issues rather than the emotional/social weight/pressure a given issue has on the community. |
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Yea sociable has too many potential benefits in my opinion to just go and remove it, the flaws can be ironed out and I've always wanted a way at a glance to know if someone I'm friends with is "online" or "available" so please don't get rid of it |
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For all the people mentioning that sociable contacts should sort differently and such, I've just updated Flexible Contacts Sorting mod to support the sociable status. You can find it here: https://github.com/ResoniteModdingGroup/FlexibleContactsSort/ - It adds a variety of other neat features to the Contacts page too. As for the status itself: I think people should at the very least get some more time to test it, though the opinions voiced here seem vastly positive, beyond some requests for tweaks, so I don't think it should be removed. |
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Hrm. I've unfortunately missed trying this in-game, but I can say that from my perspective, this is a MUCH needed feature that I was really looking forward to trying when I saw the changelog this morning. I've read through a bunch of chatter about it, and I'm... not quite sure what people disliked about it? The only thing I saw was people disliking the notification spam, which was fixed already, and the notification sound, which could just be disabled for now, until a dedicated custom sound is made for it / #1928 is implemented to allow people to change / disable the sound effect themselves. This is a feature that in my eyes could make it much easier for me to join friends in private sessions when I'm not sure if they are busy or not, which could address one of the biggest "problems" Resonite has currently, the feeling of everyone "hiding away" in private sessions. I definitely vote for re-adding this, maybe just with the notification sound disabled for the time being. |
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It definitely worked for me, I am exploring and visiting more today than I have in just the past week recently. |
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As of now, it's not gone yet, Froox just announced that it would get removed. Though I'm not sure if that's still the case with all this push back against its removal. |
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This genuinely just needed more feedback before going live. I feel like custom statuses should be the way to go for this, the status name of sociable does feel like it would imply joinable. Not everyone is going to see the update logs, and some may just ignore it and use the feature to make people more likely to join since it brings them to the top. It playing a noise by default seems like a bad idea, and I'm also pretty perturbed with not having the option for a noiseless toast. Having a setting to disable forcing sociable to the top would also be a good idea. The current implementation feels like a step in the wrong direction, but so does removing it outright. |
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Do you feel that if the notification setting for the sociable status were to be made more granular to allow users to set the toast/sound to be enabled/disabled as desired- it would resolve a majority of the issue with this feature, @gameboycjp? E.g. similar to other notifications that allow you to set toast only, audio only, both, or neither. Custom statuses are their own feature, which will be implemented separately at a later time. #913 |
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It would help a little, and that would be a good change, but that's not my issue with it, in fact it's far from it. |
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@gameboycjp - So my understanding of your concern then is as follows:
Based on my understanding of the issue so far- I think custom statuses would better meet that particular need- as they would allow you to indicate whatever messaging you wish to attach to your status without directly notifying other users of it. I feel that having notification that "x user is sociable" is a good indicator for users looking to send out invites, or otherwise, have their session joined on. If they are not actively looking at their contacts list, they are less likely to notice a given contact of theirs has applied that status- making it all the more likely that request will be ignored if there is no notification shown for it whatsoever. For users that do not want to see those kind of notifications- they can opt to disable them- so you would only be notifying users that have that notification enabled. |
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I guess I'll wait for that then. I would like a setting for toast only, and one to disable contacts with sociable set being sorted to the top. Thank you for hearing me out on this, at least. |
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Yeah, I've seen a lot of requests to add granularity to the notification like others. I'll have to inquire on the sorting matter- to my understanding of the system- there is an underlying ranking/hierarchy that is used to determine the placement of users in the contacts list. The way it is currently implemented might not make it easy to add alternate sorting methods at this time. That may need to wait for the contacts UI rework #1116. Thank you for your feedback. :) |
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Imma repost my message from discord. My two cents here. I couldn't even test the feature out, to even give proper feedback. At least let this new status feature thing run for a week before back tracking on it. There's always the loud minority that's going to complain about anything new. Like even before trying it, the whole sound thing by default was a bad idea to begin with. That should be opt in and I think that's where most of the complaints are coming from. Otherwise I think it's a neat feature to have a status for peeps that want to hangout with others but don't want to message 90% of their contacts that are in a private world. |
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I really enjoy the concept of the feature and with some polish it could be a stellar addition to the platform. I think the issue currently is the creator's intention for the feature for how it is to be used and how the community actually uses it so far not lining up. It was stated many times that the intention was for users to set their status to Sociable then receive invites to sessions; particularly private and hidden sessions. Since the feature was added, myself and many people I spoke to (so this is all anecdotal) saw more often:
Those are just issues I heard in my discussions with other users around the feature. I think there are a lot of issues with the feature that need to be tweaked in its programming as well as socially how it's presented to users. Once those are addressed the feature should be pretty much perfect. |
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Do you feel it would be helpful if we added a "Status Persistence" setting that functions similarly to the "Mute Persistence" setting? This would be similar to the Users would still be able to set their status to default to "Sociable" but it would be a deliberate choice, rather than an accident. |
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I'd be interested seeing it tested. My only concern though is that Sociable kinda differs greatly from all the other statuses in that it not only notifies users like Online does, but directly prompts and encourages users to actively reach out. Whereas Online just notifies others that you've logged in and is kinda passive. My concerns for being able to leave Sociable on are as follows:
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If a user does not want to make use of the status- they do not need to, there will be additional features down the line which may better suit their needs/use-cases. Having the setting and indicating they wish to be socialized with is still a better option to that functionality not existing at all.
By default, the user's current status is available to them on the home screen of the dashboard which is accessed quite readily during normal use of the platform. If they receive a bunch of invites and don't realize why- that could be a good cue for them to change it off of that status. Even after a user has joined a session- they may still wish to indicate to contacts that they are feeling sociable/want additional users to join them. I think the risk/problems posed by users forgetting to swap their status is relatively minimal compared to the benefit the feature provides. As highlighted above- there can be other solutions explored- like adding a setting to specify their login status- which should alleviate cases in which the user forgets it is on across sessions. |
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I should emphasise that my concern with set it and forget it is mainly only a problem in the current implementation of the feature, i.e. Sociable users always show up at the top of my Contacts list and there's no way for me to resolve that on my end. In a context where that wouldn't be a problem, either due to a Contacts organization, filtering, etc., my concern with people leaving Sociable on all the time would be pretty much non-existent as it will no longer have an impact on my experience and my UI in a way that I cannot reasonably control. Maybe some inspiration could be taken from Telegram's Story functionality? When posting a story you get an option of what tier of mutual can view it. Everyone, any Contacts, a list of Close Friends, and Specific People for that one post. So maybe if there were ever a favourites/groups function in Resonite, we could set Sociable by mutual tier, both for sending and receiving. |
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Unfortunately a lot of improvements to the contacts UI, including custom sorting are blocked by the contacts UI rework #1116 @JewelTK. But I have created #2191 to allow users to set a default status (e.g. "Online") to alleviate issues of people setting and forgetting it across sessions. What you seem to be requesting otherwise is contact sorting #41 which is one of those issues that needs the contacts UI to be reworked. Currently, the way the underlying system works, is various statuses/states are assigned a priority- and the contacts are sorted above that priority. The way it is designed- it isn't really built to easily/arbitrarily shuffle around the priority list- and work that could be done on implementing that into the current UI would be better saved for reworking the UI itself- which will implicitly resolve those issues as it will be better designed. Currently, Sociable Status is sorted pretty close to the top of the list by design so these users are more easily seen as a part of the function of this feature. Since your request largely seems to focus on issues with the contacts UI itself, rather than the sociable status (which is a symptom of the underlying issue- not being able to adequately control the sorting mode of your contacts)- I would recommend you, and other users that are having issues with the contacts UI thumb up the initial issue of that, and other related features you would like to see to indicate interest in seeing it prioritized for when we choose what issues to tackle in future. |
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I think the concept of a status that tells people you want to be joined/messaged/invited is great, however the implementation of the Sociable status was not done well. Most people complained about the notification + sound rather than the status itself. I think rather than sending out a notification with sound, it could be just a silent notification like the "user online" one, and you should be able to see it when scrolling the contacts list. This way it doesn't feel too intrusive (silent notification is less likely to bother) and it is something you can check out when you want. This may be better implemented as a kind of custom status too, maybe you can choose from a list of preset moods, or write a custom text status. Then it wouldn't need to send out the notification. |
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Something as simple as "Sociable (Host)" and "Sociable (Guest)" would be a great temporary solution. Just something to indicate someone's intent and allow others to work around that. I personally don't desire to see Sociable notifications of users who want to be invited, but I do want to see notifications from users who want people to join them. Letting people tailor that would help a lot. |
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Yeah it would be useful to know what someone's intent is and maybe give a notification for that. Maybe you can select from a list of: "I want people to join me" "I want to be invited" "I want to be messaged" |
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Not knowing the intent right now is a large part of why I toggled it off entirely. And that sucks. It's never nice to feel like I need to toggle off a potentially cool feature because it can't be customized to fit my needs. |
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Do you feel that if the notification setting for the sociable status were to be made more granular to allow users to set the toast/sound to be enabled/disabled as desired- it would resolve a majority of the issue with this feature, @Nytra? E.g. similar to other notifications that allow you to set toast only, audio only, both, or neither. Custom statuses are their own feature, which will be implemented separately at a later time. #913 |
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@shiftyscales Yes, however I believe it should default to toast only (without sound) |
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With a bit more time thinking about it and reading other people's posts, I think this probably doesn't really need a notification at all. Online has a purpose because people actually connecting to the game is useful information, but the other statuses don't have notifications and I think Sociable falls into the same category. It's something useful to know when looking over your friends list but maybe not something you need to know immediately. |
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Yeah I have to say im indifferent on it having one, most of its job is done by just being a selectable status. That said I having options for the toast and sound would make it much better. |
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Do you feel that if the notification setting for the sociable status were to be made more granular to allow users to set the toast/sound to be enabled/disabled as desired- it would resolve a majority of the issue with this feature, @ko-tengu? E.g. similar to other notifications that allow you to set toast only, audio only, both, or neither. |
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Yeah, letting people customize it would fix the problem too, since it'd let them choose, and choice is always the best option. |
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I liked it, please keep it. People complaining about sounds or whatever have the option to turn all of that off |
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I think "Sociable" should be divided into "Join me" and "Invite me" statuses, both using the blue color. This coupled with the custom status update coming later would provide all the info you need regarding the status' intent. Right now it can mean pretty much anything and may just add more uncertainty to people feeling shy about reaching out. As for the notifications and the sounds, I suspect as the community grows and the number of notifications/sounds you are receiving starts increasing most users will inevitably have this disabled. As an alternative, I think we could consider enabling notifications and sounds individually per contact, similar to Steam. Another alternative would be favorites or contact groups, and having your notifications and sounds enabled for anyone in the groups. This could probably work with a per contact setting as well. |
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Yes, the sociable status can exist as its own discrete status, and custom statuses are planned at some point in the future as you had indicated. The issue for them is here: #913
The initial request for this feature had specified: "I struggle letting others know that I want to be joined or messaged. having to directly contact people that I am open leaves me feeling shy and nervous, especially not wanting to become a bother." I think to that extent the feature as-is does do good at fulfilling that goal of signalling a users' desire to be engaged with in some form, e.g. if they have an open/public session coupled with that status, it would indicated to me they want to be joined- likewise, if I see that same status while they're in a private session- that would suggest to me they want to be invited. Splitting it out so granularly would probably be better resolved by other issues like custom statuses, or invite requests. #255
From the feedback I've gathered already- I've seen a lot of requests to add granularity to this notification to bring it in line with other notifications that allow you to have either toast, audio, both, or neither set.
Notification granularity is something we would want to add, but unfortunately would likely need to wait for the contacts UI rework #1116 a similar issue is #1121 being able to granularly set various kinds of permissions on a per-user basis. |
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Please keep Sociable. IMO it would still be fine if it wouldn't generate notifications by default and wouldn't affect contact list sorting. Is it really an issue if changing those two things makes it slightly different than what the designer originally intended? This would lead to most people being happy and I don't see any real issues arising from doing these two changes. It would lead to less discoverability? Yea true, but we shouldn't let perfect be the enemy of good. |
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I still stand that this should be changed and better implemented. Split them into Join me/Join or invite/Invite me to show intent for sociable, and maybe even set the process to be timed. Mix the blue in with the contacts like how the headless servers mixed before we shifted to Resonite. I have given plenty of feedback an replied to most all on #2184 It staying blue is not good with the bug of people goin offline and online like on user had last night causing a ping of them being sociable every 5-45 minutes, so #2191 would be a good improvement #2181 can be helpful as well. And #2179 makes good points as well I recommend people look though each of these and many mor to add key points to this discussion |
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split them as others have suggested. add option to both change and disable the audible portion. |
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I think the notification should have a button on it to mute the sociable notification for this user or for all, or just text let the user know they have options. I found the notifications to be a huge relief because I finally know who is likely to accept a join request. I think there should be an option to set a custom notification sound or use a softer sound, so it's easier to ignore but still there. There was one person on my contacts list whos sociable notification was constantly going off, but this was the same behavior as always for them, except it had originally been "user is online". Would it be possible for a user to check if they are spamming notifications somehow? This could be just as useful as the "listen to your mic" feature when selecting the audio device. |
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Removing the feature is not necessary in my opinion, but the notifications should be turned off by default and there should be a question during first setup about whether the user wants them enabled. This strikes a good balance between not annoying existing users with a sudden new source of repeated pings (depending on number of contacts) and informing people about the feature and related settings being available |
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I've seen plenty of people on the discord saying why it should be kept, just updated and we wanted to port it here for better visibility
Discord thread: https://discord.com/channels/1040316820650991766/1246024940256366632
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