Akash Network GPU Provider Incentives #448
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Great incentive and definitely something Akash needs.
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I am concerned by the short lead time for starting these incentives. A100s are not simple to get, and new purchases are often significantly delayed. This will lead to not new resources entering the Akash marketplace but instead the movement of existing resources into the pool, resulting in significant payouts to these existing providers for probably the first 2 months of the expected 4 month duration. What steps will be taken to ensure the incentives reward growth and not exploitation? PS, I want to echo @shimpa1 's excellent questions. |
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How do you estimate the ROI? |
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Today with 65 GPU we are on 2K$/day so 1000 GPUs with 5M$ incentives mean 30K$/day, and for 300M$ that is times 60, meaning 1800K$ per day ? Also are ncentives also for CPUs and storage ? |
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Hello everyone, I've been closely following the discussions around the Akash Network's GPU Provider Incentives, and I must say, it's shaping up to be a transformative initiative for our network. However, I'd like to propose an amendment that could potentially enhance the long-term stability and effectiveness of this program. Proposed Amendment: Minimum One-Year Commitment with Quarterly Vesting My proposed change aims to balance the need for long-term network stability with the practical realities of deploying high-end GPUs and HPC systems. This update ensures providers and their GPUs are not just passing ships but committed members of the Akash family. Here’s how it would work:
Why This Matters?
Importance of This Amendment:
I firmly believe that this amendment could be a cornerstone in building a more robust and reliable Akash Network. Of course, this is a proposal, and the essence of our community lies in collaboration and open dialogue. I look forward to a constructive discussion and a brighter future for Akash Network! Kind regards! |
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Dear Akash Network Community, We appreciate the effort put forth in the recent proposal outlining the GPU incentive program. As HyperClouds, we are eager to contribute to the success of the Akash Network and believe in the potential of the proposed initiative. However, we have identified several concerns that we feel are crucial for the long-term viability and success of the program.
We believe that addressing these concerns will enhance the robustness of the proposed GPU incentive program and contribute to the overall success and growth of the Akash Network. We look forward to further discussions and collaboration to refine and optimize these aspects for the benefit of the entire community. Best regards, Pierre A. Manseau |
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Dear Akash Community, I have the following inquiries: 1)Regarding the $5 million incentive fund, what is its source? from the treasury, or additional issuance of token? 2)Has there been a survey conducted on A100 providers to ensure that the implementation of the incentive program will attract a substantial number of A100 providers into the network, not merely due to a lack of awareness about the Akash platform?
Best regards! |
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Dear Akash community, Here are some of my thoughts on this matter. I hope it help us find the best incentive program.
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Dear Akash Community, I am adding my thoughts and would like to make some adjustments to the proposal where we can also focus on running incentives for the network activity driver, whether on the CPU or GPU side. We all know the market around GPU is booming & as a community, we all need to work towards ensuring that we have sufficient supply created around it. What if we bring in another GPU provider & ask them to lower the cost by providing the incentive? Regarding demand & supply economics, if there is enough demand, we should refrain from working toward incentivization to compete against the price. Instead, we should work towards building the experience with very optimal price competition. How are we ensuring & believing that after giving a lower cost of GPU, how much percentage of industry will run towards using Akash? If we recheck some metrics, Akash has good amount of CPU supply, but we have never been able to generate enough demand; even as we speak, there is a considerable demand for CPUs, which is untapped. Take the example of Spheron. We added our provider, made the necessary changes & now we have close to 600 active leases in just one month. Let me place some numbers again here. The average CPU utilization of providers except Spheron is lower than 50% & most of their CPU, RAM & everything is just sitting IDLE doing nothing. I want to ask you to consider the teams building an experience layer for the CPU, like Spheron & also the providers who are willing to add CPU capacity. If there is no interest around the same, that's also good, but I would love to hear some thoughts about it. I still believe the community fund must be used with extreme caution by ensuring that not just supply but actual demand creation is also been created so that added GPUs are not switching off after 1 year of time frame. Also, it would be better to place some numbers like if we put in $5M then how much value we are going to be generating for the network. What if the value is not generated, will those GPUs will be sold in the open market & brought in the amount back? |
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If akash cant bring in people with a100s maybe akash can help current providers that would like to buy a100s buy them, Since there very expensive to get, Id like to buy some but there just not in my budget to get. Bought the servers to hold a100s but these are also expensive, Just an idea though. |
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Just a question : Why spent assets do not follow CPUs or memory records ? |
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Introduction
Akash is unable to attract new tenants due to a critical shortage of high-density GPUs, namely A100s.
A closer look at the data, however, shows that 91% of A100 GPUs are fully utilized as of block 14622914. This means no new tenants will find any A100 inventory suitable for meaningful workloads. Alleviating this supply constraint is critical for continued growth.
Qualitative feedback suggests we have several immediate use cases for these powerful, high-density GPUs:
As proposed in AKT 2.0, which received overwhelming support from the community, we propose funding provider incentives to overcome this shortage. Bolstered by proposals 211, 240, and 241, we ensured the Community Pool would be well-funded for this exact purpose.
Program Budget
In this initial pilot program, we will request $5,000,000. We estimate these incentives bring on over 1,000 A100s and are estimated to run for 120 days. The estimated start date will be February 2024.
Any non-distributed tokens will be returned to the community just as done here.
Approaches
We propose three methods to incentivize providers, all administered by the Pilot Program Administrator (PPA), which can be an individual or a team. The PPA will be elected by a vote within the steering committee. Anyone can apply to be the PPA, provided they meet the following criteria:
Responsibilities:
1. Committed Pool
The goal of the committed pool is to provide high-quality computing resources by engaging professional providers of compute, usually tier-2 or higher data center operators, who can commit to providing computing power to Akash for at least one year. The program is open to anyone, but it has strict requirements for quality, quantity, reliability, compliance, and support.
Information (pricing, specs, and availability) on all compute providers considered for this pool will be shared publicly. The rationale guiding provider selection will also be disclosed to the public.
Some advantages are:
Some disadvantages are:
Budget & Distribution
We propose allocating 40% of the Pilot budget that is approximately $3,500,000 with the following distribution (not final):
2. Liquidity Mining Pool
In alignment with how DeFi applications and other DePIN projects (like Helium Network, Filecoin, and others) we propose a model in which providers supply GPUs to a homogeneous configuration pool. This pool allocates a fixed amount of tokens per epoch, distributed pro-rata to all participants.
Each provider's earnings will be distributed periodically, with a cadence that allows us enough time to check for accuracy, uptime, and other critical metrics. The source code and reports will be made publicly available for the sake of transparency.
These incentives will attract and retain providers on Akash, directly addressing the current GPU supply shortage. The program's subsidies are designed to ensure profitability for providers, secure meaningful quantities of GPUs in desired configurations, and provide technical support.
Some advantages are:
Some disadvantages are:
Budget & Distribution
We propose allocating 40% of the Pilot budget which is approximately $750,000 with the following distribution (not final):
3. Next-Generation R&D Pool
As AI models are evolving the GPU architecture and following suit. This model provides sufficient budget to the PPA to understand the dynamic demand curve by allowing for benchmarking and customer development
Budget & Distribution
We propose allocating 20% of the program budget, which is $750,000 and will be exclusively allocated to GPUs launched in 2024 or later. This will apply to both Nvidia and AMD GPUs. Some GPU models under consideration are Nvidia’s H200, B100, L40s, and AMD’s MI300 MI350.
Some advantages are:
Some disadvantages are:
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